General & Others Idk but I really can't see Sanji not attacking women at all as respect for women

#24
Sanji doesn't respect women, he enjoys them. Or the idea of them. Mostly in a physical sense, of course. I don't think Oda is particularly enlightened or setting a good impression of his views, but he does have female characters beat Sanji's ass until they stop and say hey, y'know what he really could be a lot worse.

The idea that some "Sanji fans" might excuse his behavior, well ... I guess that's why they're "Sanji fans." Good luck.
 
#25
So what would happen If Sanji got Big Mom fed and she killed rest of straw hats?


Will that Validate Sanji's belief or He is someone with brain and can assess the risk?


And please don't bring up real life and the largely useless concept of "war crimes" that is rarely ever enforced
What if Luffy got the straw hats killed by punching a celestial dragon blah blah blah. If you don’t like a chef that feeds people you don’t like Sanji. Having him not give food to the hungry would be like wanting an entirely different character despite this being the aspect of Sanji that made Luffy want to recruit him in the first place.

“Risk assessment” my ass, they’re pirates. They do risky things for the sake of their own beliefs every day.
 

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#26
What if Luffy got the straw hats killed by punching a celestial dragon blah blah blah. If you don’t like a chef that feeds people you don’t like Sanji. Having him not give food to the hungry would be like wanting an entirely different character despite this being the aspect of Sanji that made Luffy want to recruit him in the first place.

“Risk assessment” my ass, they’re pirates. They do risky things for the sake of their own beliefs every day.
We know Oda is running OP world and he will validate Sanji's belief and make sure he won't get anyone killed for that


We are talking about the nature of his beliefs and it's implications



Do you think Sanji won't reevaluate his belief even if it causes Straw Hats death?
 
#29
Respect isn't a strict concept, in some cultures they respect the dignity of a woman by forcing her to wear face coverings, in others they respect women by encouraging them to walk around naked.

Lanji has his own version of respect by not slapping a ho that deserves it.
You aren't talking about different ways to show respect, lol. Forcing something upon someone under threat isn't respect, neither is "allowing" something that is incidental to your gratification. These are very broad and vague examples but protip: if your efforts to show respect don't involve the input of the person in question, it's not really respect.
 
#35
You aren't talking about different ways to show respect, lol. Forcing something upon someone under threat isn't respect, neither is "allowing" something that is incidental to your gratification. These are very broad and vague examples but protip: if your efforts to show respect don't involve the input of the person in question, it's not really respect.
Incorrect.

For example, showing respect to society means forcing people to obey the law.

You don't get to make up your own definitions.
 
#36
So what would happen If Sanji got Big Mom fed and she killed rest of straw hats?


Will that Validate Sanji's belief or He is someone with brain and can assess the risk?


And please don't bring up real life and the largely useless concept of "war crimes" that is rarely ever enforced
Did you read Baratie? Sanji was willing to feed Don Kreig and his supporters after he treated their lives. All the other chefs point their guns at Sanji and he says they have to shoot him to stop him. Luffy asked Sanji to join his crew because of his character. If Bigmom kills his crewmate? Doesn't matter.
 
#37
Incorrect.

For example, showing respect to society means forcing people to obey the law.

You don't get to make up your own definitions.
Again, this is vague. You're not giving a real example. But we're not talking about respecting "society," we're talking about respecting individuals of a certain gender and the double standards that create hierarchy and condescension.

As far as definitions go, I said that respecting someone involves considering how THEY want to be treated and not just your own idea of how they should be treated lol. You're trying to get into the weeds to defend misogyny friend.
 

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#39
Did you read Baratie? Sanji was willing to feed Don Kreig and his supporters after he treated their lives. All the other chefs point their guns at Sanji and he says they have to shoot to stop him. Luffy asked Sanji to join his crew because of his character. If Bigmom kills his crewmate? Doesn't matter.
I know

I was expecting him to evolve and being critical of that belief more, recognize that in extreme cases exceptions can be made especially this very women he wants to feed is actively threatening to kill his mentor Zeff too
 
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