Powers & Abilities Why is Oda pretending that Zoro can’t already use AdvCoC?

[Sir Yasheen]

You are trolling but based on what most of the community is believing now “KoH is Zoro putting all his haki at the same time”, Zoro not calling the attack against Lucci “KoH” proves that he did not used all his haki and thus not his CoC in this attack.

Zoro using AdvCoC against Lucci would mean that Zoro is actually able to coat AdvCoC at will which he cannonically can’t.

Now let’s appreciate how stupid Oda décision is.

Zoro did it purely unconsciously cause Sanji insulted him

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Its just cope or denial or both.

This chapter essentially proves that Zoro only used Conquerer's haki against King thanks to Enma, which a lot of zoro fans have been disputing for years.

Having ones head cannon broken is always painful, expect a couple more threads around this chapter.

What was disputed is that it was Oden's haki and not Zoro's...you're moving the goal post!

 

[Bil02]

Is Oda going to have Sanji not only awaken regular CoC but coat his attacks with it in the span of a few chapters?
Or is Sanji leaving Elbaph with limited Coc mastery?

 

[Veku]

Oda vs Zoro fans:

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Is Oda going to have Sanji not only awaken regular CoC but coat his attacks with it in the span of a few chapters?
Or is Sanji leaving Elbaph with limited Coc mastery?

Awaken and coating. It’ll probably be easier for Sanji since he’s been igniting concepts like passion and rage into fire for years so him imbuing his fire with conquerors as well shouldn’t be that different

 

[Bil02]

Awaken and coating. It’ll probably be easier for Sanji since he’s been igniting concepts like passion and rage into fire for years so him imbuing his fire with conquerors as well shouldn’t be that different

Knowing Oda, he'll probably go this route.
But feels cheap to me since Sanji learned he has Coc just this arc.
We're seeing with Zoro how shortcuts with Coc are limiting him at the moment.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Knowing Oda, he'll probably go this route.
But feels cheap to me since Sanji learned he has Coc just this arc.
We're seeing with Zoro how shortcuts with Coc are limiting him at the moment.

Sanji assumed he had it even before this arc. Sanji just needs to overcome his mental block.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

I agree with what you said but this raises a question.
How is Zoro supposed to win against Sommers then?
Controlling his Coc isn't going to have him output a stronger attack than when Enma drains him completely, and that was already blocked effortlessly by Sommers.

Zoro would need to get stronger.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

Bear in mind that the Straw Hats were using haki in pre timeskip, they just weren't using it consciously

It's the same shit with King of Hell, Zoro is pulling an advanced haki technique out of his ass unconsciously due to Enma

 

[Bil02]

Sanji assumed he had it even before this arc. Sanji just needs to overcome his mental block.

There were no indications of that in previous arcs.
Sanji just said that this arc and it feels cheap yet again, Zoro was the same btw.

 

[Bil02]

But Enma is consciously controlling and draining it.
How would Zoro controlling it make his output stronger than Enma drains all his haki? Is Zoro's haki pool supposed to grow stronger by controlling his Coc ?

 

[StocksInMihawk]

But Enma is consciously controlling it.
How Zoro doing it different from Enma?

Ask Oda

Because that's obviously what he's getting at

Zoro controlling CoC >>>>> Enma drawing out CoC

 

[Sir Yasheen]

There were no indications of that in previous arcs.
Sanji just said that this arc and it feels cheap yet again, Zoro was the same btw.

Zoro doubted he had it. Sanji was basically told he did by Zeff in Baratie.

 

[Bil02]

Ask Oda

Because that's obviously what he's getting at

Zoro controlling CoC >>>>> Enma drawing out CoC

And I fear it doesn't make sense.
Unless Zoro was wasting haki to the environment when Enma was draining it.

 

[Bil02]

Zoro doubted he had it. Sanji was basically told he did by Zeff in Baratie.

Jeff told Sanji he had Coc back in baratie ? I must've missed it.
Was Coc a concept back then?

 

[StocksInMihawk]

And I fear it doesn't make sense.
Unless Zoro was wasting haki to the environment when Enma was draining it.

I mean, just because Enma is drawing Conquero's Haki out of Zoro, that doesn't mean that Conqueror's Haki is being used efficiently or being controlled well

Yes, it might be that a lot of it is being wasted and spilled out of Zoro all over the place

As Luffy said, CoC just flows out of Zoro randomly

He also hasn't coated his body with CoC yet which boosts durability, speed, etc.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Jeff told Sanji he had Coc back in baratie ? I must've missed it.

He told Sanji he had the same spear of grit as Luffy but he stifles his own spear for no reason. Similar to what Gaban told him

 

[Bil02]

I mean, just because Enma is drawing Conquero's Haki out of Zoro, that doesn't mean that Conqueror's Haki is being used efficiently or being controlled well

Yes, it might be that a lot of it is being wasted and spilled out of Zoro all over the place

As Luffy said, CoC just flows out of Zoro randomly

He also hasn't coated his body with CoC yet which boosts durability, speed, etc.

If this is the route Oda goes with ,here it's kind of reasonable.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

If this is the route Oda goes with ,here it's kind of reasonable.

Yeah I think in terms of AP, the explanation would be that Zoro's use of CoC is too wasteful

And in terms of boosting his general statistics, since Enma draws it out Zoro isn't using CoC to actually coat his body to defend himself or improve his physical strength

So once you take all of that into account, massive strength, speed, durability boost from CoC coating as well as massive AP boost from controlled usage, it starts to make a lot of sense

 

[Bil02]

He told Sanji he had the same spear of grit as Luffy but he stifles his own spear for no reason. Similar to what Gaban told him

Could mean a certain number of things TBH.
Kind of see where you're coming from though.

Still all that mastery in a single arc with no training feels rushed and undeserved.