I think it's entertaining, artsy and thought provoking. lol I mean however you excercise it...there is a small truth or metaphorism behind it.
Careful. The way you speak influences the way you think and the way you think impacts the ways you acts and your values.

I was a conspi when I was young, I know how tempting it is to believe in these theories. It's fun, it's even whimsical in a way, but it's the open door to reactionnarism if you are not careful.
 
@CoC: Color of Clowns , do you know what Zetetics are?



Not a Nazi, just a conspiracy theorist lmao. He has always been like that, it's not new :suresure:

I'm not jumping at him because there is the potential of a leftist.





Your conspiracy theorism - on the other hand - is kinda new, I'm still wondering if you are trolling.
well it's good he's got your approval of what may make someone a leftist..
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

"No... gonna steal it back..."
Yes. I just like to focus on the human elements of this, because trying to convince people our species/planet is controlled by advanced beings historically has a very bad track record of working.

I just needed to make it clear I don't believe Zionists run everything, the idea that one human cult is ruling our entire species is ridiculous, and these theories honestly off do have a racist element.

This is a reason I fear religion in general: pretty much every religion has a "big bad" to blame for everything in the universe, and I just think life is way more complicated than that. Keep in mind I'm just talking about what's controlling Earth, other planets out there have problems with other races/groups.
no, but CoC is right. the upper class are satanists/zionists controlled by reptilians.

and they are framing our true history for 5 whole millenia and even beyond.

they figured out the system back then in Lemuria before Tambanokano swiped them.
Pretty much this. I believe human religion is controlled/monitored by other advanced beings to keep us from getting the real truth, and being able to evolve.
I know CoC is eccentric and I don’t believe anything he does but he’s not a Nazi. One of the few posters I can vouch for here
If CoC is a Nazi then I'm a Grand Dragon lmao
:PepeCoolGuyCry:

Thanks, Fellas! I know I can be crazy, but I HATE racism.
@CoC: Color of Clowns , do you know what Zetetics are?



Not a Nazi, just a conspiracy theorist lmao. He has always been like that, it's not new :suresure:

I'm not jumping at him because there is the potential of a leftist.





Your conspiracy theorism - on the other hand - is kinda new, I'm still wondering if you are trolling.
Zetetics... OH, yes, I would be classified as a Zetetic.

I believe the scientific method is incredibly important when investigating the paranormal/occult. The issue is that you need to move on from "empirical" data, and focus more on other data, because, like... how is Scooby Doo supposed to "measure ghosts"?

The biggest issue with scientific study of the occult/paranormal is people want hard numbers, and in a lot of cases, they just don't exist. Take a video of a UFO moving at slow speeds, then zooming out of screen in the other direction. Like, my Samsung can't just go "oh yeah, here's how fast the spaceship was moving, dude."

It makes getting legitimate scientific evidence of stuff like this REALLY rough.

LOL thank you, I am a conspiracy theorist. Rej has been interested in this stuff for a bit, as far as I know.
 
Zetetics... OH, yes, I would be classified as a Zetetic.
I wouldn't say that lol

But I would definitely suggest it for you. I think you are in the right place for it to have a strong effect.
I believe the scientific method is incredibly important when investigating the paranormal/occult. The issue is that you need to move on from "empirical" data, and focus more on other data, because, like... how is Scooby Doo supposed to "measure ghosts"?
The moment you move on from empirical data, you move on from reality and you equate supposition with science. While a supposition is good to start with an hypothesis, if you use supposition and biases to judge reality, you will only end up on the side of the oppressors.

Always remember than conspiracy theorism is one of the weapon of the capitalist and white supremacist system to protect itself.

You seems to have a wish for wonder and stuff, which is usually why people seek conspiracy theorism. I completely understand that, as I explained, this is - with anger and confusion - what drived me to seek conspiracy and obcura theories in my youth.

But this is a form of lazyness.

Seeking conspiracy theories to explain the strangeness and horrors of our world is only done because we are to lazy and unwilling to accept the complexicity of the political system and society that are shaping us.

The world is complex and more whimsical than you think
.

Looking at alien to explain something that is already studied is fun. But it is simplistic, lazy, unrealistic, unscientific and frankly not very original or even than interesting. Again, when you start looking at the complexity of the world, everything becomes a lot more interesting, even in the horror.

Even more so, you are opening your brain to reactionnarism and the system that is only waiting for one thing : to make you think that it is so much stranger, inaccessible and stronger than you. Often making people fall into racist theories to explain the world instead of looking at the evidences.

It is good to have an open mind, but "if you open you mind too much, your brain will fall off" - Tim Minchin.


The biggest issue with scientific study of the occult/paranormal is people want hard numbers, and in a lot of cases, they just don't exist.
The real question you should ask yourself should rather be this: Do you believe in ghosts and aliens.... or do you WANT ghost and aliens to exist and therefore trying to explain the world through these expectations the same lway a One Piece fan is trying to read One Piece with fallacious expectations?

Because trust me: As long as you will expect something from reality without proper evidences of it, you will end up dissapointed and you will always seek stranger and stranger explanation for the world.

The world is already magnificient and amazing, but the lack of scientificity will ALWAYS prevent you to see that mainly because what you are seeking are simple answers.

The world is not simple. It's complex.

Capitalism needs for you to seek simplicity, transversality, the easiness of the mind, the admiration of the unchallenging idea, straight up and self explanatory answers, so if you look at the world this way, if you keep believing in simple answers that do not challenge what you believe in, what you are, what you do.....

...You will only fight on the side of capitalism.

As a former conspiracy theorist : Here is the rule that I suggest you should follow before it's too late:

ALWAYS SEEK WHAT CHALLENGES YOUR BELIEF IN AN ETHICAL WAY
.

It's easy to believe in ghost or alien to explain the world, our mind has been fed by hundreds of years of stories about the strange and the fantastic, we will always seek the magical and strange to explain what we can't understand.

But it is much harder to accept that perhaps, what we believe to be strange or impossible to explain (in front of an horrific event for example)... can be explained by social phenomenon that are far more complex than what our whimsical brain can conceive. An hypothesis can be both right AND be thoughts off for the wrong reasons. Just as as it can be wrong and be thoughts off for the right ones.

Allow me to repeat again:

Conspiracy theorism is beneficial to capitalism, it's a smoke screen that prevents you from looking at the reality of the system and challenge it with the RIGHT weapons. On top of that, systems of dominations uses this mindset to push their agenda (the great replacement theory for example).

As such, the more you seek simple and easy answer that are charming for your brain (like Aliens or big shadow conspiracies) the more you help capitalism and capitalists or any other form of domination system spread its wings.

To counter capitalism, we must question what feels good to believe in. We must always challenge our ideologies. Only by doing that one can understand the friability of their world's vision and the fact that we all are the product of our material condition of existence.

CHALLENGE YOURSELF, SEEK THE UNCONFORTABLE
. Do not seek the easy way out.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

"No... gonna steal it back..."
Oh yeah okay I guess :feelsokeman: I'll read your posts less seriously then. Because you know, I thought that you were just completely trolling :pepeiseeu:

As long as you're happy and not harming anyone I guess :pepecafe:
That is my goal: to spread info without causing harm.

Honestly, and to make people think more, and question our history/current worldviews.

I have trolled a bit in the past, but it was a while ago. I'm serious now, but, like I said, it's HARD to talk about this stuff because of social stigmas attached to it.

What opened my mind was realizing how many different groups through history that had completely different origins/locations/goals all came to similar conclusions. Either humans are all mentally ill in one specific way, which would need some scientific explanation, or our species has been manipulated by higher forces like many Spiritual teachers warned us.

That's why I focus on verifiable topics, like the USA/Israel/Russia/China doing terrorism/crimes against humanity.

But, yeah, I believe the real core problem goes beyond politics and religion of humanity, and that we're being manipulated by beings that evolved further than us.

People act like like it's a conspiracy theory, while, to me it's just nature.

Generally, there's a bigger fish. Human don't act like the biggest fish. We act like we're stuck in tanks.

People look at the idea that other species evolved so far that we can't see them/interact with them easily as a conspiracy theory. To me, it's just reality.

But since our species can create shit like nukes, even if these beings are stronger/more evolved than us, they still have to fear us, because we can easily blow up a planet if left to our own devices.

The advanced races are obsessed with eugenics, because they fear what a species that evolves on its own and comes to advanced technology without any barriers could do with it.

It's not humans ourselves that are that scary. It's our potential.
 

Rej

Holy Simp
Allow me to repeat again:

Conspiracy theorism is beneficial to capitalism, it's a smoke screen that prevents you from looking at the reality of the system and challenge it with the RIGHT weapons. On top of that, systems of dominations uses this mindset to push their agenda (the great replacement theory for example).

As such, the more you seek simple and easy answer that are charming for your brain (like Aliens or big shadow conspiracies) the more you help capitalism and capitalists or any other form of domination system spread its wings.
Can you elaborate on this further? Because I think it's the opposite. You are being mislead by progressive extremistic left thinking.
 
Can you elaborate on this further? Because I think it's the opposite. You are being mislead by progressive extremistic left thinking.
Conspiracy theorism is a form of reactionnarism and reactance that is moved by the seeking of fantastic and the strange, all created to please our various heuristics (human biases and thinking process).

It's literally fun to believe that alien have taken over the world. It transforms a confusion about the world into a sense of control, wonder and simplicity. Let's take the ancient astronaute theory for example, stating that alien helps humans build civilization.

It's fun. It's strange, pop culture even help with that. It makes us believe the world is so much greater than we think it is, it's fascinating, it tingles our will to explain the unknown by the strange and the spiritual or the out-worldly in this case. BUT what it creates is also the idea that what civilization have build upon is a result of something bigger than themselves.

The ancient astronaute theory is not build to explain all civilization, no.... it's build to explain NON-WESTERN civilizations :
- The maya
- The aztecs
- The egyptians
- The polynesian
- The Inca
- The indigenous of america as a whole
Etc.

All these are civilizations that were colonized by europpeans. The idea that ancient astronautes existed and HELPED civilizations is DIRECTLY linked to the long timed racist idea that non europeean civilizations were not advanced enough to build the wonders that we know today (pyramids, the mayan calendar, paintings and stuff).

Mainly, it is a colonial vision that completely strip the agencies of these civilizations. It's a negation of alterity . It's also a form of imperialist hegemony that keeps descendants of these civilization in a position of subjhugation.

it's a mix of orentalism and domination through the negation of historical evidences. It is a subject in post-colonial studies highly documented. And it's is just one example of what conspiracy theorism can do.

(And I schematized here).

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Basically, conspiracy theorism will make you fall for the CONFORTABLE answer for your brain. (even if the explanations are complex, and some theories have a lot of this fake complexity)

Keeping you confortable is what domination system like capitalism NEED. Capitalism needs for you to keep falling for the simple answers that will NEVER question its real internal system and interests (like the places of the bourgeoisie in mode of production for example). White supremacy NEEDS for you not to question social relationship and instead explaining complex stuff through fantastic means.

Dominations systems need you to feel at ease, confortable in your alienation (in the sociological sense).

Someone who REALLY question the structure of the world is someone who is capable of seeking and accepting the uneasy and unconfortable answers.

For example, understanding that we are all racists because of white supremacy and understanding that a theory like the ancient astronautes is a direct result of the aftermath of colonialism and imperialism IS understanding something unconfortable. Because it makes us look at our material conditions and ourselves as PART of the systems and not just a victim of some cabal outside of our range by shadow people that we can't really hold accountable.

Politics is the action that results from the understanding that humans and power relationships are the ones who weave history.

You want to understand and fight the horrors of our world to stop all kind of dominations?

Ring the bells of revolution.

And politicize yourself.

 
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What opened my mind was realizing how many different groups through history that had completely different origins/locations/goals all came to similar conclusions. Either humans are all mentally ill in one specific way, which would need some scientific explanation, or our species has been manipulated by higher forces like many Spiritual teachers warned us.
I need examples of what you mean but for now I'd say that obviously our species is one and comes to similar conclusions even if they have no connections.


The advanced races are obsessed with eugenics, because they fear what a species that evolves on its own and comes to advanced technology without any barriers could do with it.
You seem too deep in conspiracies, it's either gibberish or I'm a dumbass :josad: also edging on racism with this advanced race and eugenist stuff :Think:
 

Rej

Holy Simp
Conspiracy theorism is a form of reactionnarism and reactance that is moved by the seeking of fantastic and the strange, all created to please our various heuristics (human biases and thinking process).

It's literally fun to believe that alien have taken over the world. It transforms a confusion about the world into a sense of control, wonder and simplicity. Let's take the ancient astronaute theory for example, stating that alien helps humans build civilization.

It's fun. It's strange, pop culture even help with that. It makes us believe the world is so much greater than we think it is, it's fascinating, it tingles our will to explain the unknown by the strange and the spiritual or the out-worldly in this case. BUT what it creates is also the idea that what civilization have build upon is a result of something bigger than themselves.

The ancient astronaute theory is not build to explain all civilization, no.... it's build to explain NON-WESTERN civilizations :
- The maya
- The aztecs
- The egyptians
- The polynesian
- The Inca
- The indigenous of america as a whole
Etc.

All these are civilizations that were colonized by europpeans. The idea that ancient astronautes existed and HELPED civilizations is DIRECTLY linked to the long timed racist idea that non europeean civilizations were not advanced enough to build the wonders that we know today (pyramids, the mayan calendar, paintings and stuff).

Mainly, it is a colonial vision that completely strip the agencies of these civilizations. It's a negation of alterity . It's also a form of imperialist hegemony that keeps descendants of these civilization in a position of subjhugation.

it's a mix of orentalism and domination through the negation of historical evidences. It is a subject in post-colonial studies highly documented. And it's is just one example of what conspiracy theorism can do.

(And I schematized here).

---

Basically, conspiracy theorism will make you fall for the CONFORTABLE answer for your brain. (even if the explanations are complex, and some theories have a lot of this fake complexity)

Keeping you confortable is what domination system like capitalism NEED. Capitalism needs for you to keep falling for the simple answers that will NEVER question its real internal system and interests (like the places of the bourgeoisie in mode of production for example). White supremacy NEEDS for you not to question social relationship and instead explaining complex stuff through fantastic means.

Dominations systems need you to feel at ease, confortable in your alienation (in the sociological sense).

Someone who REALLY question the structure of the world is someone who is capable of seeking and accepting the uneasy and unconfortable answers.

For example, understanding that we are all racists because of white supremacy and understanding that a theory like the ancient astronautes is a direct result of the aftermath of colonialism and imperialism IS understanding something unconfortable. Because it makes us look at our material conditions and ourselves as PART of the systems and not just a victim of some cabal outside of our range by shadow people that we can't really hold accountable.

Politics is the action that results from the understanding that humans and power relationships are the ones who weave history.

You want to understand and fight the horrors of our world to stop all kind of dominations?

Ring the bells of revolution.

And politicize yourself.

Careful.

I was once as naive and left leaning as you. I used many -isms and tried to explain things with -isms and stuff like that. It is clouding your spiritual self. There is so much more potential inside you.

First of all, I am disappointed. I thought Oda should have teached you better.

Do you know what happened with water during the ice age? The water in the oceans was binding itself to the ice of the polecaps. The water levels were sinking, water became saltier. Through vulcanic activities under water, water was still evaporating from the oceans and snowed down on the lands. The continents were covered in snow and there were a few green strips that were tundra. Do you know where people moved during this times? Rationally? Right - to the mountains and tundras. Mountains were the only consistent access to sunlight while snow storms ruled the ground. That is the origin of sun religions, people were sunbathing in order to survive the cold of the ice age and this is something that got inherited by future cultures.

Let us flash towards the end of the ice age, because here things started to become documented by greater civilizations. The ice and snow was melting and the earth started to warm up again, we are mostly thanking volcanic activities for this, it is like the earth went through a metamorphosis. Anyway what happened to all the water in the snow and ice? Exactly! It flooded the lands because the earth was still permafrosted and rather dry. It would take decades for the water to soak into the earth and fertilize it. But once the water soaked in and the land fertilized, what happened next? Think about it!

The people that survived from the mountains DESCENDED to the lands below, to repopulate the lands that became fertile after the flood.
These people that DESCENDED got declared as holy beings. They were wise human beings who knew that their time was comming to repopulate the world. And they succeeded. That is the origin story of ancient aliens and they have been documented in most religions as "the seven sages". Each sage took a different route and they journeyed across the lands. They met the arctic walls, went to the other side of the world which we now know as America. (The journey to the West)

And that's also the origin of the Ice Wall theory. It is documented in hindu texts/deliveries that are estimated 5000-10000 years old.

You see, conspiracy theories are ofc bad in the hands of idiots, like anything else...leftism for example is also bad in the hands of idiots. Same as rightism or centrism. But if you try to think about the origins of those theories and the motivation behind them, then you also end up learning new truths about humanity and the earth. There is a reason they exist and it's more to it than your superficial halfhearted analysis.

Draconians and Reptilians for example are stand-ins, metaphors, for something inhumane. Aka inhumane behaviour, inhumane ideologies. That is what drives the reptilian theory.

I think you haven't read One Piece properly, because Oda is also a conspiracy theorist.

Imu and World Government - Devil and Satanic Kabal
Gorosei - Reptilians
Red Line - Arctic Walls
Sun God - Sun Religions

Oda has literally studied ancient Hindu stories and texts/stories from other cultures...and conspiracy usually follows these ancient stories.

What you are doing here is a shame for Oda and his magnus opus One Piece tbh.
 
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CoC: Color of Clowns

"No... gonna steal it back..."
Can you elaborate on this further? Because I think it's the opposite. You are being mislead by progressive extremistic left thinking.
Yeah, the Panama Papers and Epstein stuff is NOT good for capitalism. They literally crashed the world economy with the War in Iran to try to distract from the Epstein stuff, and it's STILL not working.

@Logiko needs to realize that there's a difference between selling Bigfoot merch and actually researching criminal conspiracies, as well as researching history.

UFO research as well, the Department of Energy and companies like Lockheed Martin have covered up extensive advances in free energy, often by stealing them from others. People proving that the government and military industrial complex and true forces running them have been covering up free energy for years to keep us embroiled in wars so they could stay in power, is HORRIBLE for capitalism.

The Conspiracy theories that are good for capitalism are shit like Q-Anon and whatnot that Mossad/CIA cook up themselves, often in response to real conspiracies.

I can't believe this man actually tried to tell me conspiracy theories are a weapon of capitalism. Sure, some of them, but all of them? LOL hell no.

I also laughed at the idea that it's "fun" to believe these beings rule the world. Like, no, we've been a slave race for hundreds of years getting colonized and experimented on, and the people who have tried to tell the truth have been silenced in horrific ways.

This shit IS NOT fun, we've been going through it for a long time.

Those are the people I think are the most crazy, the people that WANT to be ruled by evil aliens. Freaky ass fuckers want to get probed. Aw hell naw.

I believe in ghosts and aliens because I've interacted with them, LOL, not because I "want to belieeeeve", OI. I believe in spirits because I've interacted with Spirits (different than ghosts).

Once I had actual experiences, it made me proud that in the past I had accepted stuff like that was possible, and chose not to judge others for their personal experiences. I trust the accounts of regular individuals regarding this stuff way more than outlets with known histories of lying like religious and political cults.
 

Rej

Holy Simp
Yeah, the Panama Papers and Epstein stuff is NOT good for capitalism. They literally crashed the world economy with the War in Iran to try to distract from the Epstein stuff, and it's STILL not working.

@Logiko needs to realize that there's a difference between selling Bigfoot merch and actually researching criminal conspiracies, as well as researching history.

UFO research as well, the Department of Energy and companies like Lockheed Martin have covered up extensive advances in free energy, often by stealing them from others. People proving that the government and military industrial complex and true forces running them have been covering up free energy for years to keep us embroiled in wars so they could stay in power, is HORRIBLE for capitalism.

The Conspiracy theories that are good for capitalism are shit like Q-Anon and whatnot that Mossad/CIA cook up themselves, often in response to real conspiracies.

I can't believe this man actually tried to tell me conspiracy theories are a weapon of capitalism. Sure, some of them, but all of them? LOL hell no.

I also laughed at the idea that it's "fun" to believe these beings rule the world. Like, no, we've been a slave race for hundreds of years getting colonized and experimented on, and the people who have tried to tell the truth have been silenced in horrific ways.

This shit IS NOT fun, we've been going through it for a long time.

Those are the people I think are the most crazy, the people that WANT to be ruled by evil aliens. Freaky ass fuckers want to get probed. Aw hell naw.

I believe in ghosts and aliens because I've interacted with them, LOL, not because I "want to belieeeeve", OI. I believe in spirits because I've interacted with Spirits (different than ghosts).

Once I had actual experiences, it made me proud that in the past I had accepted stuff like that was possible, and chose not to judge others for their personal experiences. I trust the accounts of regular individuals regarding this stuff way more than outlets with known histories of lying like religious and political cults.
I agree fully, everything in a nutshell: We can use conspiracy theories also as weapons against the elites. We have to spread awareness, critical thinking and spirtuality. Only that way we can heal the earth and humanity and defeat the evil.
 
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