Chapter Discussion Time to accept it for what it is: Enma forced out Zoro's conqueror haki and sped up his growth
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Any evidence Oden had the no touch version version of CoA before that WB vs Roger clash? And there are two levels of that aka barrier and infusion.
Yes Wano swordmen are known for having that power but we don't know if Oden did since we've never seen him no touch with either barrier, infusion CoA or even Coc.
The visuals are too inconsistent depending on fighting styles in this story and nothing is ever explained.
Yes Wano swordmen are known for having that power but we don't know if Oden did since we've never seen him no touch with either barrier, infusion CoA or even Coc.
The visuals are too inconsistent depending on fighting styles in this story and nothing is ever explained.
In the instances you mentioned where only CoA was pulled, Zoro deactivated Enmas power immediately upon noticing the drain on the shoreline.
Then on the rooftop Zoro was specifically limiting how much Enma was allowed to drain “I need to unleash this Enma a bit more”
Then the first time CoC was alluded to was Asura where Zoro specifically stated he wasn’t holding anything back. In doing so, Enma was allowed to drain out some CoC.
Finally, the fodder scene was when Zoro specifically stopped holding back Enma and gave it unrestrained access to his haki. Causing CoC to leak out as Enma was draining everything.
Then on the rooftop Zoro was specifically limiting how much Enma was allowed to drain “I need to unleash this Enma a bit more”
Then the first time CoC was alluded to was Asura where Zoro specifically stated he wasn’t holding anything back. In doing so, Enma was allowed to drain out some CoC.
Finally, the fodder scene was when Zoro specifically stopped holding back Enma and gave it unrestrained access to his haki. Causing CoC to leak out as Enma was draining everything.
The 1st time Zoro didn't deactivate Enma right away.. surely you remember how it made his arm so thin. Everyone was shocked and the smoke i think indicates excessive release.. yet no CoC was seen or mentioned.
If your interpretation is that Zoro never allowed Enma to draw much haki which resulted in no CoC seen until Asura then.. how is that a proof ? the likely scenario that it didn't actually draw CoC but rather needed CoC in order to be tamed?
Also i do believe Zoro unleashed Enma before Asura.. The Dragon Blaze Attack that actually made an impression by Kaido and BM. But no CoC was mentioned.
Now going into the King's fight.. Enma acted up many times and it also made Zoro's hand thin too. During all of these events King never once commented on CoC except when Zoro actually applied it.
So we can assume that King's knows CoC too well and since he never mentioned it before then there was no hint of it being sucked out of Zoro.
Don't get me wrong here i think Enma was crucial for Zoro to use CoC because it has put him to the edge. But there was no scenario that actually showed proof that Enma takes out CoC from users.
If your interpretation is that Zoro never allowed Enma to draw much haki which resulted in no CoC seen until Asura then.. how is that a proof ? the likely scenario that it didn't actually draw CoC but rather needed CoC in order to be tamed?
Also i do believe Zoro unleashed Enma before Asura.. The Dragon Blaze Attack that actually made an impression by Kaido and BM. But no CoC was mentioned.
Now going into the King's fight.. Enma acted up many times and it also made Zoro's hand thin too. During all of these events King never once commented on CoC except when Zoro actually applied it.
So we can assume that King's knows CoC too well and since he never mentioned it before then there was no hint of it being sucked out of Zoro.
Don't get me wrong here i think Enma was crucial for Zoro to use CoC because it has put him to the edge. But there was no scenario that actually showed proof that Enma takes out CoC from users.
Lmfao bro YOU the one making 10 threads a day coping about why Oda did this and that when Zoro already showed ACoC
Enma did it or at least enabled it for Zoro up until Sommers, why else would he be fucking wondering how to coat CoC nowSince somebody else already answered most of this before me I'm just gonna address your main crux of "Zoro gave everything he got causing him to use CoC"
No no no. Just cuz Zoro brought out CoC DOESNT MEAN HE CAN IMBUE IT. That was my entire point of the first half of OP, coating CoC into your attacks is so hard even awakened fruit users and advanced haki users (CoO) can't do it
Zoro has been leaking CoC this whole time. Luffy confirms it. Whether this was before or after Enma dont matter cuz that alone doesnt grant you ACoC usage on your own
Enma is the instrument that channeled his CoC to flow across his blades. That is what KoH is and why you see the characteristic ACoC trails in it. Zoro allowed Enma to pull out so much haki it pulled out his CoC too. This is in line with everything we know about Enma mechanics
Luffy literally "ran out of haki" in Dressrosa with G4 and had to recover. That was his CoA only. Putting all your might into a single attack or form doesnt mean shit for imbuing CoC, it is a generally a skill issue. But the exception is when Enma pulls it out for Zoro and channels it across his weapons
It's really not that complicated, it's a pretty conventional Shonen powerup. Oda's story isn't technical so it doesn't even really have to make sense. Anything can be rationalized by saying "Enma has a will of it's own, so what it did or didn't do in a particular situation is based on it's will"
Will Oda ever explain what Enma having a will or the Nika fruit having a will means? Obviously not. It's just a get out of jail card for him.
Will Oda ever explain what Enma having a will or the Nika fruit having a will means? Obviously not. It's just a get out of jail card for him.
Valid point and a very good interpretation. So its not like Enma pulls it out by default which what most of us thinks. And if that is the case then its the same argument but different perspective.
But there is another unknown factor here which is Asura itself.
IF and a BIG if Asura turns out to be CoC aka AdvCoC technique by itself. Then that should explain how "Putting all my might into that attack" which was Asura makes the argument how that it wasn't Enma that pulled out CoC but Zoro somehow using it 3 times made it easier to channel "everything".
but either way i don't see much difference in your scenario than mine.
But there is another unknown factor here which is Asura itself.
IF and a BIG if Asura turns out to be CoC aka AdvCoC technique by itself. Then that should explain how "Putting all my might into that attack" which was Asura makes the argument how that it wasn't Enma that pulled out CoC but Zoro somehow using it 3 times made it easier to channel "everything".
but either way i don't see much difference in your scenario than mine.
Oda, in his stroke of epileptic genius, created one of the most convoluted and horribly inconsistent power systems of all great shonen, haki. Even worse, he decided to turn a cool concept like conqueror's haki into armanent haki 2.0, with visual cues that leave readers arguing about crayon scribbles like illiterate toddlers for days
Conqueror's haki is wielded by one in a million. Within a fraction of that, only a handful of strongest can imbue it, which fandom calls ACoC
CoC users like Doflamingo, Katakuri, Chinjao spent their entire 40+ yrs not learning how to imbue CoC. Sanji is just barely learning he has CoC, let alone try ACoC. Does that make them weak dumbasses? No, it just shows how downright HARD it is to learn ACoC. So hard that rulers and awakened users go their whole lives unable to do mold that burst of CoC onto their fists. Even the earliest we see Roger, a fighting genius with no haki mentor, using it is at the age of 32
Zoro however, found a shortcut to that in the form of Enma. Enma which sucks ALL the haki that a user has. For Zoro, who always had CoC within him, Enma unleashed his CoC and coursed it across his blades
That's why he's only been using ACoC during King of Hell, the mode where Zoro lets Enma have full reign over his haki. Technically he is, but he is not at the same time. He's imbuing CoC but it's Enma that channels it for him, not himself
Now against Sommers, he is finally LEARNING how to imbue CoC on his own, without the need for Enma but thanks to KoH, he's got the intuition. That means he will be able to use it outside of KoH, and start getting creative with shit too. His KoH will no doubt be amped when he unleashes more CoC than Enma would normally take
In the New World where shit gets merciless without warning, getting Enma was Zoro's greatest stroke of luck in his journey. He doesn't have affinity for CoC + massive plot armor like Luffy does, who had to fight ACoC users and nearly died doing it. Zoro was able to skip those 10-20+ extra years and avoid becoming the next Doffy, get straight to the point and let him defeat Mihawk 20 years sooner in time for Oda, his wife, and Sanji's VA to finally go travel the world when the manga ends
Conqueror's haki is wielded by one in a million. Within a fraction of that, only a handful of strongest can imbue it, which fandom calls ACoC
CoC users like Doflamingo, Katakuri, Chinjao spent their entire 40+ yrs not learning how to imbue CoC. Sanji is just barely learning he has CoC, let alone try ACoC. Does that make them weak dumbasses? No, it just shows how downright HARD it is to learn ACoC. So hard that rulers and awakened users go their whole lives unable to do mold that burst of CoC onto their fists. Even the earliest we see Roger, a fighting genius with no haki mentor, using it is at the age of 32
Zoro however, found a shortcut to that in the form of Enma. Enma which sucks ALL the haki that a user has. For Zoro, who always had CoC within him, Enma unleashed his CoC and coursed it across his blades
That's why he's only been using ACoC during King of Hell, the mode where Zoro lets Enma have full reign over his haki. Technically he is, but he is not at the same time. He's imbuing CoC but it's Enma that channels it for him, not himself
Now against Sommers, he is finally LEARNING how to imbue CoC on his own, without the need for Enma but thanks to KoH, he's got the intuition. That means he will be able to use it outside of KoH, and start getting creative with shit too. His KoH will no doubt be amped when he unleashes more CoC than Enma would normally take
In the New World where shit gets merciless without warning, getting Enma was Zoro's greatest stroke of luck in his journey. He doesn't have affinity for CoC + massive plot armor like Luffy does, who had to fight ACoC users and nearly died doing it. Zoro was able to skip those 10-20+ extra years and avoid becoming the next Doffy, get straight to the point and let him defeat Mihawk 20 years sooner in time for Oda, his wife, and Sanji's VA to finally go travel the world when the manga ends
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CoC:
- Qualities of a king: Only people with the ambition and willpower of a ruler can unlock it. (lanji literally has zero of those the best we got was Mr. Prince supremacy if this was that same pre-TS lanji I would back the legitamcy of him unlocking base CoC)
but this is also why Zoro has had a hard time actually grasping it, Luffy was taught the very basic core of CoC since he already showcased the ability of wielding
also to add as shown through luffys over usage of CoC if Enma actually drained Zoros CoC he would/should have the same drawback as Luffy does so why doesnt he? cause it isnt draining CoC.
Sanji wank thread? Tf did the sanji va joke go over your head or smth?