Character Discussion Has your opinion on King the Wildfire power level changed or is it still the same?

[TheAncientCenturion]

Nothings really changed? He looked a bit better now thanks to Lucci’s bad performance against Zoro, but that’s not really upscale.

Marco >= King ~ Katakuri is the most reasonable opinion. I think Marco has a slight edge in 1v1 because his flames can smother King’s & general portrayal as being a stronger crews right hand man.

With the Shichibukai uh, he’s still pretty great. You can make arguments for Boa’s hax or Crocodile’s new bounty and prestige but I think the only two warlords definitively above King are Weevil & Mihawk

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You sure stronger captain=stronger crews? Didn't Doflamingo humiliate Jozu?

Yeah but that wasn’t a full on fight, Oda hasn’t portrayed Doflamingo as being capable of taking out Jozu that casually in a fight, evidenced by how Crocodile and Doffy kept tango’ing and Jozu could fight Croc

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

His intention was to capture Crocodile not to kill him.

Uh, he wanted to partner with him but every clash they had, they came out as equals.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Doflamingo never used haki. When he cut Crocodile's head, Crocodile could regrow his head back. That's because Doflamingo's attack was not coated with CoA. If Doflamingo used haki, Crocodile would lose his head right there.

Cool he could win in a sneak attack, Doflamingo used haki when they physically clashed though because otherwise they wouldn’t have touched.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Show me in the manga where Doflamingo used haki when they clashed. Why did Doflamingo suddenly choose to stop using haki when he tried to cut Crocodile's head?

Here you go, if you want to reread it, it happens on chapter #566.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Doesn't Doflamingo use black shoe? So how do you determine that it's haki this time not just his black shoe color? Why would Doflamingo chose not to use haki when he tried to cut Crocodile's head?

How does Doflamingo touch a logia without haki?

 

[moreha9685]

How does Doflamingo touch a logia without haki?

We should ask a 1st grader.

 

[moreha9685]

I thought you're going to run away like a little bitch with your tail between your legs after I held you accountable for your statement about my thread?


Then how about when Luffy broke from parasite while Jozu was helpless under parasite? Doesn't that prove Dressrosa Luffy surpassed Jozu?

It's crazy that you talk of accountability in the same comment in which you fail to acknowledge TAC's point.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

And none of this did lasting damage to King or Queen lmao Marco did nothing but stall then lose while king and queen were both at 100 percent

Shifting the argument from doing no damage to now apparently not being damaging enough? lol.

I don’t even know what you’re trying to argue here when all I’ve said is King in every exchange we have seen has been getting one-upped by Marco as long as the latter had the stamina to fight despite having another commander behind him, which is true.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Then how about when Luffy broke from parasite while Jozu was helpless under parasite? Doesn't that prove Dressrosa Luffy surpassed Jozu?

Uh no, because then we return to my original point;

Crocodile and Doflamingo weren’t really shown to be dramatically stronger or weaker than the other. They seemed in the same field.

Jozu was able to pressure Crocodile in a straight fight, that gives us good reason to think, in other situations Jozu vs Doflamingo wouldn’t have been a quick end like we saw in the manga.

 

[moreha9685]

I'm an adult unlike you a toddler who came to my thread throwing a tantrum like a sore loser then ran away like a little bitch when I held you accountable for your statement by asking you directly about your tantrum.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

The point is stronger captain=stronger crews that's your statement. Then how about when Dressrosa Luffy who's YC3 or below broke parasite while Jozu was helpless under parasite? Doesn't that break the dynamic that stronger captain=stronger crews because Dressrosa Luffy was shown stronger than Jozu?

Well I think it’s important to remember that Character A doing something Character B can’t isn’t proof they are stronger.

Zoro could scar Kaido back on the rooftop, something pre-Chapter #1044 Luffy (Gear 5th inception chap.) couldn’t. This singular example can’t be used to put Zoro above Luffy at this time because we know Luffy’s overall capabilities are superior to Zoro’s.

So Luffy in Dressrosa breaking out of parasite doesn’t automatically put him over Jozu for me, especially when we see how Luffy does against Cracker the next major arc.

To my point earlier;
Crocodile and Doflamingo are seemingly on the same level in Marineford.
Jozu in a straight up 1v1 was giving Crocodile a good enough fight.

So I surmise that, even though Doflamingo was able to easily subdue Jozu in Marineford, a straight forward fight should be far closer because of how Crocodile scales to both of them.

 

[moreha9685]

It's okay lil doggy. It's hard to be a little bitch. Talk big but ran away like a pussy when confronted.

Seethe all you want. Third, fifth, tenth account: you're still stuck in a meaningless cycle of antagonizing people for no reason at the detriment of your own mental health.

 

[moreha9685]

Nothing to seethe what I posted is a fact. You came to my thread throwing a tantrum, I confronted you then you ran like a little pussy.

Show me that tantrum on panel.

 

[moreha9685]

Isn't that you throwing a tantrum like a pathetic sore loser? When I confronted you you backed out like a little pussy.

That's as far from a tantrum as is your hilarious understanding of CoC.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Why not?

Well he had all those things above Cracker too but Cracker actually forced him to a stalemate and Luffy needed to rely on Cracker’s stupidity to win, using a new defense form to absorb and throw Cracker back. None of his Boundman abilities helped.

And while we can’t quite scale Cracker’s defenses to Jozu’s well, we know Diamond is reputedly hyped time and time again to the levels of seastone.

So Jozu is a more aggressive, better defended version of Cracker. I can see how Boundman is having a harder time here.

Luffy beat Kaido Zoro didn't.

Well not that version of Luffy. Zoro has the better offensive feat but we know being better in one area isn’t enough to be declared stronger, most of the time. The disparity would need to be outrageous

 

[moreha9685]

What more hilarious is when I challenged you directly by asking if you threw a tantrum like a little bitch because you cannot refute what I posted. Guess what instead of engaging to prove what I posted was wrong, you ran like a coward. You said my understanding of CoC is hilarious yet when I confronted you to prove what I posted was wrong, you ran like a coward.

Your point was disproven over and over again for 8 pages. You refuse to get it. I'm not wasting time feeding your trollish need for attention and pointless arguing.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

How is Jozu portrayed above Cracker when he's not even above Dressrosa Luffy? Let's address this first.

We’re talking about Jozu’s defense which are superior to Cracker’s, which gridlocked Boundman and forced Luffy on the backfoot for 11 hours until he got full enough for Tankman.

So a Boundman vs Jozu match up looks like that but worse because Jozu doesn’t need to be mindful of his body—as cracker was.

That version of Luffy fought Kaido for 20 minutes before losing with Kaido actively using AdvCoC. The only thing Zoro did was scarring Kaido who never used AdvCoC against him. Let's not forget Zoro has no counter to Thunder Bagua. It's too fast for Zoro.

But what I’m saying is Zoro has one really good feat above Luffy until Luffy is in Gear 5th.

It’s why I’m not judging Jozu being trapped by parasite as evidence of being weaker than Boundman, as we know a singular feat doesn’t often tell the full story. Especially with the context of Crocodile and Doflamingo clashing as equals later in the arc & Crocodile being given a decent blow from Jozu.

 

[moreha9685]

Tell me how my point was disproven when they cannot solve a simple riddle like this:

If you're wondering how to swim you never swim.
If Zoro's wondering how to use AdvCoC that means what.

Feel free to disprove my post now instead of running like a coward

Learn to read.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

How is Jozu above Boundman when Boundman is stronger physically and faster too? The only thing Jozu has over Boundman is durability.

Isn’t that the same advantages Cracker had though? And Boundman was gridlocked.

The same Zoro has no counter to Thunder Bagua it's too fast for Zoro. One good feat doesn't change the fact that Luffy outperformed rooftop Zoro when it comes to fighting Kaido 1 on 1 with Kaido not holding back his Thunder Bagua and AdvCoC.

Now comparing Boundman and Jozu, Boundman is shown to be capable of fighting parasite. overpowering it. Blitzed Doflamingo while Doflamingo was fast enough to intercept Jozu who's trying to attack Crocodile and his parasite was strong enough to overpower Jozu.

yes, I’m just saying that using one example is premature, considering we see Jozu smack Crocodile well and all, then Crocodile is off portrayed in the same level as Doflamingo.