Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1194 Spoilers Discussion

[Rurushu]

The fight is absurd.

DD is no different from what he's doing at the end of the chapter... y know the one that accidentally chopped Sommers arm and stopped it from regenerating.

DD was only stopped cuz Gram is a mythical sword capable of deflecting anything (Imu used it to swat away Loki's lightning attack as well).
Not because trash like Sommers is some super powerful dude who casually swats away ultimate techniques of Zoro.

If Sommers was actually on that level, he wouldn't get bullied left right and centre for 2 chapters in a row as Zoro slowly grows more braincells than 3.

We know from Kaido’s statements that better CoC coating proficiency also increases its output.
Considering that Zoro didn't even know he had CoC and was mindlessly leaking it i expect it to be his PU.

I think Zoro will cut Gram otherwise the difference between this Zoro and the one who got lol-diffed by Imu at the start of the arc is minimal.

I’m not really into downplaying Zoro’s new opponents, so considering we’ve already been told what Gram’s ability is, I’ll wait for confirmation that it's also has some other ability that lets it “reflect everything” or whatever.



And honestly, I don’t understand why you’re trying so hard to push the idea that Zoro hasn’t gotten stronger. It doesn't help.

 

[Doggo]

Although this new plot makes Zoro dumb, it helps to clear up the King fight/Egghead inconsistencies

During the King fight, Zoro thought King was invincible when his flames are on because he was literally doing no damage to him. He only started doing damage after he unconsciously unlocked adcoc

And during Egghead he said the Seraphims were virtually invincible with flame on because of his lack of knowledge in adcoc

So basically, flame on King and the Seraphims are still vulnerable to adcoc attacks

So why didnt Luffy damage the Seraphims?
He had acoc.

 

[Marimo_420]

Zoro about to kill an omen amped, 13 weapon equipped HK, while Prime Roger pirates couldn't do it to base versions. On multiple occasions.

 

[Doggo]

Telling a fact bro. Been saying what I said from jump. Been the one to say that gaban is also a parallel to nami since he is also a navigator lol

@Sir Yasheen

 

[warsame zaylai]

So why didnt Luffy damage the Seraphims?
He had acoc.

he didnt use acoc ?
the only time we've seen him use it is against kizaru in egghead

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

king was scared to allow zoro get free hits on him during when his flames are on

This could also means that AdvCoC can bypassing Lunarian invincible Ability same as how AdvCoC could bypass HK regeneration.
Zoro is a dumb dumb so he didn't notice it, he only know that he pouring all of his haki.
King noticed this and thinking He would defeat Zoro if he turn his flame off to get more faster and powerful.
King with Flame On -> Invincible High Defense but Pretty Slow and not as powerful as flame off. Could only get attacked by AdvCoC or DF Hax.
King with Flame Off -> High Speed + Offense, But L Defense.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Wano Zoro with the knowledge of post Elbaf Zoro would mid diff any Admirals

Now we know why Oda hide Kizaru from him in Egghead @Elder Lee Hung @Sentinel

 

[Bogard]

So why didnt Luffy damage the Seraphims?
He had acoc.

They were fighting based on Zoro's wordings on how they are invincible when flames are on, except that Zoro didn't know they can actually be damaged with adcoc due to lack of knowledge, so I don't think Luffy was using adcoc.

 

[Marimo_420]

Also Zoro is all bloody
That's no longer low diff fight

The blood and scruff marks appear and disappear throughout the whole chapter. Oda needs to sleep it off.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Yea see where you are coming from, bro, but "control" will lay the foundation for everything that follows I think- (critical) haki mass, casual control within cling clangs, fodder nuke outside of 1on1s.

We even see in this chap that he projects - in Mihawk's words - his own self out by wifi cutting Sommer's arm off as it seems.

Before it was either KoH or base Zoro basically, now it's KoH and/or aCoC base Zoro I think.
We also need to consider the stamina soak that prolly comes with KoH.

I want to see where Oda takes it from here in the context of KoH & normal CoC coating. Hopefully that gets clearly communicated by Zoro at some point.

Yeah better control.

But i doubt Oda's ever gonna explain or show anything in enough detail to draw conclusions in this story anymore.
Gone are the days of abilities interacting with each other to form interesting storylines inside fights, i think the last fight that was excellent in that aspect was Luffy v. Katakuri with how Fs & logia-like shapeshifting was problem-solved mid fight.

We're in the era of either "i have more ki/aura/haki/power than you" or straight up looney toons tomfoolery and it's such a damn shame tbh.

 

[warsame zaylai]

This could also means that AdvCoC can bypassing Lunarian invincible Ability same as how AdvCoC could bypass HK regeneration.
Zoro is a dumb dumb so he didn't notice it, he only know that he pouring all of his haki.
King noticed this and thinking He would defeat Zoro if he turn his flame off to get more faster and powerful.
King with Flame On -> Invincible High Defense but Pretty Slow and not as powerful as flame off. Could only get attacked by AdvCoC or DF Hax.
King with Flame Off -> High Speed + Offense, But L Defense.

yh thats why it never made sense to me why people clown king calling him retarded fighter
when he knew acoc could harm so he needed to switch the gameplay and try to end zoro

 

[TheD.]

I feel like zoro destroying the heart with his acoc might still be a red herring and Zoros acoc isn’t strong enough still.

@PuckTheGreat

not cause I hate zoro but because it really makes Roger and his crew look like the biggest fraudulent idiots.

 

[Fn Lucci]

The fight is absurd.

DD is no different from what he's doing at the end of the chapter... y know the one that accidentally chopped Sommers arm and stopped it from regenerating.

DD was only stopped cuz Gram is a mythical sword capable of deflecting anything (Imu used it to swat away Loki's lightning attack as well).
Not because trash like Sommers is some super powerful dude who casually swats away ultimate techniques of Zoro.

If Sommers was actually on that level, he wouldn't get bullied left right and centre for 2 chapters in a row as Zoro slowly grows more braincells than 3.

I stayed in that perpetual Sommers Shock face from reading the spoiler description and now having the panels confirm it's the same shit we saw three years ago

 

[ConquistadoR]

And honestly, I don’t understand why you’re trying so hard to push the idea that Zoro hasn’t gotten stronger. It doesn't help.

So that i can still push my "Low Admiral level Doflamingo > Zoro" agenda to piss @nik87 off.

 

[warsame zaylai]

zoro here is using green flames without coc

it seems a power up but with no buff i guess

best evidence green flame isnt coc or related to coc.
zoro couldnt stab sommers heart but we see green flames

 

[sparrow210]

Zoro gains braincells and Sanji gets CoC

Sanji COC will break the internet!

 

[Doggo]

They were fighting based on Zoro's wordings on how they are invincible when flames are on, except that Zoro didn't know they can actually be damaged with adcoc due to lack of knowledge, so I don't think Luffy was using adcoc.

Zoro only said that much later. And, at that point, they offscreened the rest of the fight.
Up to that point Luffy should have used ACoC, but didnt.
Also Zoro only managed to hurt King during flame off on their fight.

 

[HeroesNZ]

Did Zoro just throw CoC lightning at Sommers and cut off his hand?

Did this swordsman just shoot a haki beam like Gaban??

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

I don’t think Roger was using his fp.

He should’ve been able to easily destroy the island he was fighting on if so given his fruit aoe and dc.

What is FP?
Full Power?
Agree on that, but this is Oda we talking about.
Oda usually doesn't use AoE attack while fighting 1v1
I believe this is the first time we've seen it multiple times on this arc, Loki vs Imu, Gyaban vs Imu

 

[centurion]

wyd if Oda does this in EoS btw