Powers & Abilities What is this Disney ass “Sense of self” nonsense?

[Afroking]

But now we have a new gimmick. Turns out some kind of “self recognition” like a Disney princess believing in herself is also a way to strengthen your CoC?

like everytime Luffy says “I’m monkey D Luffy, the man who will be Pirate king” he gets +1 CoC because Self recognition is a stat boost now

I don't get your newfound confusion..

This is not something new.

Oda for power through the strongest geeezers out there:
Rayleigh:"To never doubt- that is power"

Garp:"Always take snap decisions/actions." Inferring once again to not doubt yourself.
Garp to Kuzan: "Wavering is a sign of weakness"


What was Zoro dojng in Dressrosa? Doing a fake mantra to boost himself with the whole "There's nothing I cannot cut. "


This Mihawk quote is on the same Caliber as the geezers.

In the same vein Back in the Baratie he told you he will remain at the top waiting no matter how much time has passed. Even in his old age he thought he would be the best at his work.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I like how "Disney" is being used as an insult for a mangaka. That company inspired maybe 25% of the most popular shonen tropes and references lol

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

I like how "Disney" is being used as an insult for a mangaka. That company inspired maybe 25% of the most popular shonen tropes and references lol

Disney Piece is worse than Disney tho

 

[Blazing Lion]

It's the same Ryuma thing here, he was the king but he didn't know, too humble for it. Zoro is a king but he didn't know it. It's a stupid reintroduction for something that was already covered in King fight. Zoro accepted his kingly ambitions when asked by King and had the little flashback, then he declared himself KoH.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Disney Piece is worse than Disney tho

Idk what this is supposed to mean lol

It's the same Ryuma thing here, he was the king but he didn't know, too humble for it. Zoro is a king but he didn't know it. It's a stupid reintroduction for something that was already covered in King fight. Zoro accepted his kingly ambitions when asked by King and had the little flashback, then he declared himself KoH.

Which is why he could use it. Luffy accepted his kingly ambitions from the start and yet Kaido said his use of CoC coating was at first crude and clumsy

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

I like how "Disney" is being used as an insult for a mangaka. That company inspired maybe 25% of the most popular shonen tropes and references lol

That's because most people here are idiots.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

The translation isn’t going to change the meaning

we even had this panel before of Zoro saying that he genuinely believe that only Captain can have CoC

Mao that’s the set up for Mihawk’s words

Mihawk’s words are that CoC is fueled by Self recognition. Zoro was failing to use CoC because Zoro DID NOT SEE HIMSELF AS A COC USER

That’s it. This entire chapter Zoro becomes a CoC user simply by “seeing himself” as a CoC user… like a true Disney princess

I don't think that is the case.. for this chapter context it could mean for CoC users who are ignorant and unaware.. because if self recognition is what everyone needs then by now almost all characters should spam CoC.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Idk what this is supposed to mean lol

Which is why he could use it. Luffy accepted his kingly ambitions from the start and yet Kaido said his use of CoC coating was at first crude and clumsy

But Zoros use is not crude and clumsy (so far at least). Zoros haki regulation is way better even in Wano.

 

[Roo]

it's just a dumb way to give coc to characters who never applied it

sanji had a low sense of self due to his upbringing, now that he's told he's a king he will acquire it. Same can be said for guys like Koby, Law, Sabo etc

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Also, the "sense of self" is just something taught in Eastern-style martial arts, dudes. It's about self-realization and improvement.

 

[MUUGEN]

Previously Rayleigh said that CoC cannot be trained to get stronger, it gets stronger passively from the user just getting stronger as a person themselves right?

okay fine. Oda wants his top power in the verse to be vaguely defined so that people don’t ask questions like “how come Imu doesn’t have 800 years of CoC training to be leaps and bounds stronger than the rest of verse in CoC”?

Fine.

But now we have a new gimmick. Turns out some kind of “self recognition” like a Disney princess believing in herself is also a way to strengthen your CoC?

like everytime Luffy says “I’m monkey D Luffy, the man who will be Pirate king” he gets +1 CoC because Self recognition is a stat boost now

try actually reading the manga.

 

[OykotsTreasure]

After thinking it over, I wonder if it somehow ties into how Devil Fruits are created?

Devil Fruits are, according to Vegapunk, different visions for the future.

(Chapter 1069)

So, what if Conqueror's is actually a part of this? What if Conqueror's is basically you realizing what kind of future YOU want? A goal to strive for?

ALL Haki is about a person's amount of willpower. Their determination to achieve short-term goals. But, Conqueror's Haki is specifically about having a long-term goal, and trying to make it into reality. Conqueror's is about having the will to change the world around you. Imposing YOUR vision for the future onto the rest of the world. Thinking ahead more than Zoro usually does. The difference between regular Haki and Conqueror's could just be having longer-term goals in mind.

Conqueror's Haki could be basically the "seed" that allows a Devil Fruit to eventually be "grown".

That might explain why Zoro thought only Captains could have Conqueror's. Captains are the ones who decide where the rest of the crew goes. They're the ones who decide what they do. The Captains are the ones who set the goals for the entire crew. But, Zoro just realized that members of the crew can also have their OWN goals to reach, too. The future that the Captain wants, doesn't need to be incompatible with the future that the members of the crew want. Which seems like a relatively simple idea, but it may have just clicked into place for Zoro. Zoro may have JUST been able to "envision his future".

It's still imposing your will onto others. But, it's slightly different than that, too. It's about imposing your will onto EVERYTHING. Including the future, and finding a way to mold the future into what you desire.

Zoro's always been working towards his goal of being the World's Strongest Swordsman. Which is why he's had Conqueror's flowing out of him without him even realizing it. But, it's possible that it's not until this moment that he's gotten a "glimpse" of that future in his mind's eye. Zoro THINKING about his future allowed him to unlock his potential. Because...Zoro doesn't really think that much. He just DOES things. Zoro kind of had the opposite problem of Sanji if that's the case. Because Sanji probably has a tendency to OVERTHINK things. Zoro thinks too little, and Sanji thinks too much, and both of those got in the way of them unlocking Conqueror's earlier.

I don't know, I'm still chewing this over. And it might be beneficial to see a couple more different translations and interpretations of what this could mean.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Idk what this is supposed to mean lol

Which is why he could use it. Luffy accepted his kingly ambitions from the start and yet Kaido said his use of CoC coating was at first crude and clumsy

With Disney u know the genre.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Bollocks.

You tell me daddy issues self-hating Ace fit this conditions?
Yeah, no way chief.

Maybe that’s why Ace was the worst CoC user, alongside Kidd and Boa. They have the worst “sense of self”

I call them the worst because they are the only ones who have never used CoC even though they are confirmed CoC users. (For Ace I mean before he died, not afterwards in his flashback)

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Conqueror's is about having the will to change the world around you.

Nah we have Whitebeard who didn’t really want all that

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I don't get your newfound confusion..

This is not something new.

Oda for power through the strongest geeezers out there:
Rayleigh:"To never doubt- that is power"

Garp:"Always take snap decisions/actions." Inferring once again to not doubt yourself.
Garp to Kuzan: "Wavering is a sign of weakness"


What was Zoro dojng in Dressrosa? Doing a fake mantra to boost himself with the whole "There's nothing I cannot cut. "


This Mihawk quote is on the same Caliber as the geezers.

In the same vein Back in the Baratie he told you he will remain at the top waiting no matter how much time has passed. Even in his old age he thought he would be the best at his work.

All those geezers were talking about the relation being between Haki and willpower… Doubt weakens willpower to ALL HAKI is boosted by never doubting

What Mihawk is talking about in this chapter is CoC specific… He’s saying that CoC specifically is about “sense of self”… Which isn’t the same as “not doubting”

Zoro gets CoC down this chapter not because he was overcoming some kind of doubt. He is getting CoC down because he quite literally just thought only captains can have coc… and now he’s like “No I can have CoC too”

Zoro just believed he can have CoC and he got it. It’s now a matter of “self recognition”. Just believe in yourself and you’re good

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I don't think that is the case.. for this chapter context it could mean for CoC users who are ignorant and unaware.. because if self recognition is what everyone needs then by now almost all characters should spam CoC.

Well no, CoC is still in-born… mihaw even says it in this chapter… You have to be born with it

he’s saying that CoC is “FUELED”, as in it gets stronger, from “sense of self”

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

try actually reading the manga.

I did, that’s why I post panels and provide direct quotes from the manga

 

[moreha9685]

Also, the "sense of self" is just something taught in Eastern-style martial arts, dudes. It's about self-realization and improvement.

Sure. But how is a cosplayer who denies her self in favor of being someone else still get CoC?

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Sure. But how is a cosplayer who denies her self in favor of being someone else still get CoC?

The self-improvement part. Or desire to defeat Kaido perhaps.

Plus, Zoro is really dumb. Even Luffy has shown to be smarter at times. And that's pretty sad.