Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1194: EVERYTHING CHANGES

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The thing with Sommers I wonder about is obviously he's a stepping stone, and it's Shamrock or Nasujuro who Zoro deals with at Mariejois.

But what will he and Killingham do at said battle? I really doubt any other Straw Hat is going to unlock Conqueror's Haki, so someone has to deal with them...
 

Devilbat

Just chill and let chill
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So you could decapitate a HK with AdvCoC and still not kill them. Yet they wouldn't be able to regenerate from that.
The regen hax ist so inconsistent I can't even

I mean, in this chapter Sommers basically regrows his limbs, but in the chapter where Killingham was separated into parts, he for some reason cannot do that.
Also does Gunko has her metal heart in her pussy or what? Usopp legit blasted her from the waist up and she just regrew those parts easily, but Sommers was freaking out when Zoro said "we should probably destroy the metal heart".
And that's why all that regen logic is so annoying in OP.
 
The regen hax ist so inconsistent I can't even

I mean, in this chapter Sommers basically regrows his limbs, but in the chapter where Killingham was separated into parts, he for some reason cannot do that.
Well, it can be explained with the fact that Killingham at that time had no omen boost. I guess regeneration become more stronger after that.

Also does Gunko has her metal heart in her pussy or what? Usopp legit blasted her from the waist up and she just regrew those parts easily, but Sommers was freaking out when Zoro said "we should probably destroy the metal heart".
And that's why all that regen logic is so annoying in OP.
Like I said in the past, it's everything about supreme king haki. Coating attacks with it will let you hit the heart of "immortals", just like normal armament haki let you hit the real body of rogia users.

What's the point of this "regenerative power" if Usopp or any random dude can destroy holy knights without supreme king haki?
 

Devilbat

Just chill and let chill
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Well, it can be explained with the fact that Killingham at that time had no omen boost. I guess regeneration become more stronger after that.



Like I said in the past, it's everything about supreme king haki. Coating attacks with it will let you hit the heart of "immortals", just like normal armament haki let you hit the real body of rogia users.

What's the point of this "regenerative power" if Usopp or any random dude can destroy holy knights without supreme king haki?
I understand that there's a boost, and the concept is that the heart has to be destroyed with CoC.
But even the way it works doesn't always seem clear. Like if the heart is this important, then I'd expect people to regenerate around it. If it's destroyed but not destroyed because there was no CoC, show that it reappears first...idk. The panels with how it works is a mess.

It's difficult to get regeneration right in stories, especially if it's not a few guys like Wolverine or Andy the Undead from Undead x Unluck.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

"No... gonna steal it back..."
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Lost in the sauce of all this

Is that when we get the Void Century flashback, we're going to have to sit through these hoe-ass Celestial Dragons kidnapping more Giant kids because they're too scared to fight Pirates in a fair fight

:ShishioIsBack:

I am so tired of watching these cowardly gits try to avoid fights by kidnapping children, FUCK YOU, YOU HAVE IMMORTALITY REGEN, JUST PULL UP, YOU FAKE ASS FREAKS

Shamrock and Gunko are the only God's Knights we've seen that aren't weak sauce goobers
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

"No... gonna steal it back..."
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As pointed out by @Blazing Lion , they are missing in Dragon Damnation against Sommers.
They are CoA but from my perspective, still a complete mystery.
Brook/Ragnir use the Ice of Hell, IMO, Zoro and Sanji use the Flames of Hell.

Not Haki, but a mystical/magical ability, like Goldenweek's Colors Trap painting (god the Live Action made her a freaking nutcase).

You can at least kind of explain Sanji's "Flames of Love" as latent powers from Judge's human experimentation on his kids. While I don't think it's a Cyborg Power, and it's a natural power that comes from Sanji/Sora, the argument that it is a scientific power is right there, Sanji was genetically manipulated, just like his brothers.

There's no argument there for Zoro, he is a straight country bumpkin swordsmen with no cyborg parts or crap like that, he grew up on a tiny island and does not have any special science powers.

The fact that Zoro can light his sword on fire to begin with is just plain ole magic.

This is another reason V. Nusjuro is his obvious Gorosei fight:

V. Nujsuro clearly uses the Ice of Hell, like Brook, while Zoro uses the Flames of Hell. Since I think the Gorosei fights will be team up fights, with multiple Straw Hats vs each Gorosei, I'd like to see Zoro and Brook vs V. Nusjuro.

I've stated before I thought Elbaph would be an arc with a lot of "magical" powers like Goldenweek's Colors Trap.

It's possible the Flames are Haki based, but, IMO, they're a magical power, and they'll be explored further in Elbaph because it's the "magic" arc.

Edit: Also why Loki is ice based/Zoro tried to attack Loki for pretty much no reason. Zoro's family history regarding Wano is full of Oni slaying, hence Kaido, as well as the Sandai Kitetsu being the 3rd Generation Oni/Ogre Piercer.

Zoro vs Loki is going to be big going forward, we've yet to explore the history of Wano vs Oni, we only touched upon it in Wano.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
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Oda did the possible. Ruined a Zoro chapter. Suddenly Zoro doesn't know how to use CoC. If this was at least explored better in the past. Oda made it so ambiguous not even himself can tell when someone is using CoC or not. How can Zoro not use CoC and at the same time leak CoC? And what is the purpose of the flames on his swords if not CoC? It only happened once he started using all his haki and that included CoC. So he can't give his all without giving CoC as well. Or it is the fucking bandana that makes him unleash the fuckimg CoC? Because he did right now before the bandana as well.

Also Oda should stop using his story to reply to the criticism he is receiving. Sommers clearly being the Zoro haters saying he doesn't have CoC despite all evidences. This is getting sad not only for Oda and One Piece but now for Zoro too.
hes never known how to use coc.....
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
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Used against Kaido and King
& luffy used CoC against Sonderson sisters, duvalls bull, all of MF and guess what he didnt even know what it was or how to use it, it was just something he used in dire situations.


difference is zoro did it subconsciously giving his all to save luffy then giving himself to enma as a catalyst giving it his all
 
& luffy used CoC against Sonderson sisters, duvalls bull, all of MF and guess what he didnt even know what it was or how to use it, it was just something he used in dire situations.


difference is zoro did it subconsciously giving his all to save luffy then giving himself to enma as a catalyst giving it his all
Luffy had no idea what haki was. Zoro knew exactly what it was and how it worked.
 
& luffy used CoC against Sonderson sisters, duvalls bull, all of MF and guess what he didnt even know what it was or how to use it, it was just something he used in dire situations.


difference is zoro did it subconsciously giving his all to save luffy then giving himself to enma as a catalyst giving it his all
Everyone is sweating 🫪 lol
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
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He knew how to use it and that's why he used at free will against King.
are you dumb or illiterate ?

read the manga zoro has never known how to use CoC and wasnt even aware he was using it he just gave it his all against kaido and then again against King why do you think he was literally at deaths door....
 
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