Powers & Abilities What is this Disney ass “Sense of self” nonsense?

Other then his sense of self zolo has nothing to bring to the table his koh mode is useless and overpowered by sommers tier opponents, luffys g5 neg diffs 1000 sommers in a line no coc
Hmm, are you forgetting this


this is Luffy with g5 having an exact EQUAL clash with Lucci.

this clash is exactly equal because they both knock each other away

And btw Luffy is using Armament haki too

You are seemingly overestimating G5. How many times have you seen G5 win a fight so easily WITHOUT CoC?
 
The translation isn’t going to change the meaning

we even had this panel before of Zoro saying that he genuinely believe that only Captain can have CoC

Mao that’s the set up for Mihawk’s words

Mihawk’s words are that CoC is fueled by Self recognition. Zoro was failing to use CoC because Zoro DID NOT SEE HIMSELF AS A COC USER

That’s it. This entire chapter Zoro becomes a CoC user simply by “seeing himself” as a CoC user… like a true Disney princess
He was using CoC even without knowing he had. No one knows he have before using it and learning from it. That makes no sense.
 

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Correct he was using it before.

but since last chapter he has been failing to use it and supposedly the reason was that he just didn’t believe he had it

Oda has introduced the idea that Zoro’s problem the last two chapters was just belief
& you do realize that CoC is the users own spiritual willpower manifested right

thats literally what CoC is, like read the fucking manga why dont you ffs
 

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Previously Rayleigh said that CoC cannot be trained to get stronger, it gets stronger passively from the user just getting stronger as a person themselves right?

okay fine. Oda wants his top power in the verse to be vaguely defined so that people don’t ask questions like “how come Imu doesn’t have 800 years of CoC training to be leaps and bounds stronger than the rest of verse in CoC”?

Fine.

But now we have a new gimmick. Turns out some kind of “self recognition” like a Disney princess believing in herself is also a way to strengthen your CoC?

like everytime Luffy says “I’m monkey D Luffy, the man who will be Pirate king” he gets +1 CoC because Self recognition is a stat boost now
READ THE FUCKING MANGA​
 
Hmm, are you forgetting this


this is Luffy with g5 having an exact EQUAL clash with Lucci.

this clash is exactly equal because they both knock each other away

And btw Luffy is using Armament haki too

You are seemingly overestimating G5. How many times have you seen G5 win a fight so easily WITHOUT CoC?
Not fully equal but almost..
 
It's One Piece ffs.

Don't expect logic or well thought out power systems.

Oda just wings it and his sheep followers keep salivating "Goda" even when he delivers nonsense again.
Finally somebody with brains. Half of this forum is 30+, and some of you have teenage kids at this point, and yet somehow people here refuse to accept that one piece is nothing more than a goofy looney toons Japanese comics PRIMARILY FOR 12 YEAR OLDS, but you morons have overgrown it long ago, you're not kids anymore, grow the fuck up.
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You weirdly think you’ve made point somewhere here
my guy youre crying cause zoro is realzing how to utilize CoC at will and are blaming it on Oda making an asspull "disney" sense of self when CoC is literally willpower and imposing it, you can NOT do this if you do not have a sense of self, as it can not be trained like CoA/CoO.

so yes once again go and read the manga why dont you. stop with your bitch threads and actually try to understand the material you are going to be crying about.
 
What? Enma didn’t have anything to do with Zoro using CoC
You are not good at reading context.

Makes sense why you are confused at the latest chapter.

You cannot objectively say Enma had nothing to do with that.
Enma was the first catalyst to Zoro using COC.
This is a manga on-panel fact.

Doesn't mean Enma gave Zoro COC, but it was a catalyst.

The point was Zoro was hesitant using his haki with Enma.
The moment Zoro stop hesitating he activated COC.

Did you even read that Zoro thought COC is just for captains and such?

This is a hesitation for him, he didn't view himself in their level, as a "king".

Sommers even mocked him not having the qualities of a "king".

What happens when Zoro puts on the bandana?

He becomes serious, more assertive, sure of himself.

This is what Mihawk means "one's sense of self".

Hence why he activated COC in that last panel.
 
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