Controversial General Political Discussion

[Midnight Delight]

Multiculturalism mainly works when there's some order to it like Quebec in Canada

The very moment you don't have a "glue" it's a mess

 

[Mathias]

Question

Ok.

And be honest

Ok.

Would Turkey be a better place if Ataturk didn't wipe out Muhacir culture and enforce Turkish one?

Obviously yes.

"Muhacir culture" isn't one thing only.

Mustafa Kemal isn't the only responsable and young turks are part of that too.

Nation-states all have that same type of historical problem. France is one of them.

 

[Midnight Delight]

"Muhacir culture" isn't one thing only

I mean, it would mean that modern Turkey would be mostly speaking Euroepan languages+Kurdish , possibly leading to a Pakistan situation where the Refugee Urdu Speakers rule over Panjabis

Nation-states all have that same type of historical problem. France is one of them.

It's a Catch 22 isn't it

Any country that tries to do what France Spain and Germany did would be condemned(Russia too), yet it's the only reason why they are "big United" countries

So it's more complex than Black and White thinking isn't it? Italy for example still struggles with a separation between it's "Gaulic" North and it's "Latin" South for example

 

[Mathias]

I mean, it would mean that modern Turkey would be mostly speaking Euroepan languages+Kurdish , possibly leading to a Pakistan situation where the Refugee Urdu Speakers rule over Panjabis

It would be different yes.

It's a Catch 22 isn't it

Any country that tries to do what France Spain and Germany did would be condemned(Russia too), yet it's the only reason why they are "big United" countries

So it's more complex than Black and White thinking isn't it? Italy for example still struggles with a separation between it's "Gaulic" North and it's "Latin" South for example

Nation-states have been built at the expense of its "minorities" or "regionalities". It is known and there is nothing good in it.

 

[Roo]

the idea is that every state should follow western standards of multi culturalism is naive. Even the biggest China leftist simps have no word on the Uyghur stuff and the obvious han favoritism because they understand how insanely hard multi culturalism is to implement outside the west

 

[Midnight Delight]

the idea is that every state should follow western standards of multi culturalism is naive. Even the biggest China leftist simps have no word on the Uyghur stuff and the obvious han favoritism because they understand how insanely hard multi culturalism is to implement outside the west

Neoliberals are also pretty bad at this

Sweden will never have a right wing government ever again because they just couldn't stop bringing in migrants because their "small family owned business" just couldn't pay minimum wage to natives without compromising on things like their wives breast surgeries

They are setting their kids up to be slaughtered once the Pyramid scheme falls

 

[Midnight Delight]

If you want @Mathias
We can both agree that the insistence on everyone adopting the 19th century Nation State Model has been disastrous for many regions

 

[Afroking]

What's the opposite of multiculturalism btw ? What is the far-right preaching for ?

I can't answer that for you.

 

[Roo]

Neoliberals are also pretty bad at this

Sweden will never have a right wing government ever again because they just couldn't stop bringing in migrants because their "small family owned business" just couldn't pay minimum wage to natives without compromising on things like their wives breast surgeries

They are setting their kids up to be slaughtered once the Pyramid scheme falls

yeah it is a liberal idea

i usually stay away from those arguments. ideally nation/ethno states shouldn't exist but that is not a reality 90% of the world lives in and alot of cultures refuse to adapt it

 

[NAMELESS]

yeah it is a liberal idea

i usually stay away from those arguments. ideally nation/ethno states shouldn't exist but that is not a reality 90% of the world lives in and alot of cultures refuse to adapt it

Cultures only exist because people practice it. The problem isn't genetics, race, or ethnicity. The problem is people refuse to adopt the local culture when moving abroad. "In Rome, be Roman." One of the main reasons the Roman Empire fell was because barbarian tribes managed to get in without assimilating into the Roman world and pledging allegiance to Rome and the Empire. The problem is culture. Always has been. Brazil is a multiethnical nation, but it ain't multicultural. Actually, the culture is pretty homogenic despite the diverse racial background.

 

[Logiko]

 

[NAMELESS]

Thought you were gone, why so inactive now?

 

[Logiko]

Thought you were gone, why so inactive now?

If you can't see that you are all f*cked in the current states of the world if we don't stand up against the system and capitalism, there is nothing I can say that will ever convince you. You are doomned.

 

[NAMELESS]

If you can't see that you are all f*cked in the current states of the world if we don't stand up against the system and capitalism, there is nothing I can say that will ever convince you. You are doomned.

I'm standing up against State Capitalism that is going on down here.

 

[Logiko]

I'm standing up against State Capitalism that is going on down here.

Yeah, start with full capitalism first.

 

[NAMELESS]

Yeah, start with full capitalism first.

Capitalism is fantastic.

 

[Logiko]

Capitalism is fantastic.

As I said : You are doomned.

 

[NAMELESS]

As I said : You are doomned.

Let's fight Capitalism then.

 

[Logiko]

Let's fight Capitalism then.

That would be a start indeed. Actually no. Before fighting capitalism, you need to understand WHY you need to fight capitalism or you won't fight capitalism.

 

[NAMELESS]

That would be a start indeed. Actually no. Before fighting capitalism, you need to understand WHY you need to fight capitalism or you won't fight capitalism.

Forget that, let's just take over Mcdonalds right now.