Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1195 Spoilers Discussion

[PuckTheGreat]

Whole point of Omen was to save Sanji and Zoro's blushes tbh.
Oda had to raise the level of the Holy Knights in order to justify the matchup and once he estabslished that, he didn't bother to follow up on it. It's Oda tactics 101, "writing for the sake of it", "gas for the sake of grabbing attention with little to no reward".
But I guess the moral of the story has always been that Sanji are Zoro are built different from the likes of the Holy Knights.
They have quirks that make them had to put down but when up agaisnt characters of wings calibre they are weak sauce.

Rather than Omen per say which has arguably made the Holy Knights not one shot material for the wings and is arguably putting in a bit of work with the Zaza plot line, I'm pretty dissapointed in the way Oda has handled the Ancient Weapons plot line. Like why even introduce it at this point. It's quite literally had zero narrative impact since it's introduction

 

[soupongo]

@Shiroyru Oda's actual apex at this point

The crazy thing is, Oda thinks MF should be like a filler war in comparison, which you think would relate to stakes and emotional investment from the audience, but you know in Oda's mind, the final war will make MF look like filler because of Seraphim invincibility, Regen, black lightning autism spam, Imcel "powers" and the like

 

[TheLastBerserker]

@Shiroyru Oda's actual apex at this point

The crazy thing is, Oda thinks MF should be like a filler war in comparison, which you think would relate to stakes and emotional investment from the audience, but you know in Oda's mind, the final war will make MF look like filler because of Seraphim invincibility, Regen, black lightning autism spam, Imcel "powers" and the like

It really is going to be CoC spam fights for the last part of the war

 

[Shiroyru]

A character Oda has had since 2018 to work on lmfao.

It’s funny just how ridiculously inconsistent Domi Reversi is. Dorry and Brogy somehow have the willpower to momentarily resist Domi Reversi and kill themselves, but Xebec can’t resist it at all, even when he thinks he’s killing his family. The Giants revert back to normal and full HP after being killed in DR form, but Xebec is left at 1 HP and the Davies straight up just die in DR without reverting back. Imu for some reason never tries using DR on guys like Gaban, Zoro, and Sanji even when given a golden opportunity. Reuven for some reason is Domi Reversi’d and then immediately killed off by Gunko. Once again, someone is killed in DR form and just straight up dies instead of having the curse removed and returned to full HP. But also, why the fuck was Reuven even DR’d in the first place if he was just gonna be killed off on Imu’s orders anyways?

And then there’s also the retardation of WB, Kaido, and BM watching their captain get stabbed by the big shadowy monster (that they were all just fighting), and then suddenly grow twice in size, grow demon wings and fangs after clearly trying to resist the transformation, and for some reason those 3 think that Xebec just chose to betray them when it’s beyond obvious that he’s being influenced. A similar thing happened with Brook and Shuri.

Oda’s editors are so damn useless.

@Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Johnny B. Decent @Fujishiro

 

[soupongo]

It's almost 2027, and this might still be the best feat in verse

 

[ElderOnitar]

How many manga have you read where the villain's opening move in a fight is casually overpowering the hero's ultimate in a clash, only to get treated like a fodder training tool afterward? Oda is truly breaking new ground...

 

[Shiroyru]

He has fast regeneration and Killinham is nerf with people helping fight zaza

It’s funny how people willl bend over backwards to downplay Killingham.

“No, the summoner not having any summons available is not a nerf”

 

[AER15]

Zoro vs Sommers is not over btw

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

TLDR; if you're not a top tier level character, you're not chatting to Zoro or Sanji from this point forward. Accept this now to save yourself the stress.

Have a great night.

Another next good weeks cuz we going to have "THAT" Trophy atleast 3

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You seem like a well adjusted individual

Can you guess what I’m thinking

 

[Doggo]

Can you guess what I’m thinking

"Kisame mauls Jimboring"?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

"Kisame mauls Jimboring"?

Kisame can beat Madara

 

[pg13]

Sanjis still not going to be willing to kick a woman after this because oda already established that this is a good thing and it would shit on his connection with Zeff.

Maybe it’s time the Zeff connection is abandoned, maybe Zeff is holding Sanji back? That would be interesting to explore

 

[Doggo]

Kisame can beat Madara

Blud can't beat Jiraya.
Chill.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Blud can't beat Jiraya.
Chill.

Prove it bitch boy

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Can you guess what I’m thinking

you are capable of thought?

 

[sabo]

I wonder both zoro and Sanji knew from the Wano ark or before wano that they'd be facing strong enimies ahead. Why didn't they ask Luffy or anyone about Conqueror's Haki and learn it. They saw it in Luffy at fishmen island after timeskip.
At least I was expecting Zoro to learn it as he's all the time training and getting strong.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

For those like @Shiroyru and that guy with Sanji avy who quoted me, yes there is no definitive answer between Sommers and Killingham because they didn't answer but we have two things going for us.

One is gap of strength between Zoro and Sanji's opponents.
Mr1 No Diffs Mr2
King No Diffs Queen
Ohm No Diffs Satori
Ryuma No Diffs who ever that ugly rapist Dog Guy was

Secondly, the combat portrayal of both.
Killingham is primarily an AoE and Hax based fighter who summons giant creatures, individually, aka melee, weapon to weapon he has no feats to show his combat power.

While even without Omen Sommers was temporarily boxing with Gaban who even in his old age is Yonko level
Secondly with Omen and weapon he blocked Dragon Damnation which is a Yonko Level attack, as it is an attack that Oda himself claimed will do far more damage to Kaido than Ashura as it is his strongest On Panel technique

 

[MonochromeYoru]

I wonder both zoro and Sanji knew from the Wano ark or before wano that they'd be facing strong enimies ahead. Why didn't they ask Luffy or anyone about Conqueror's Haki and learn it. They saw it in Luffy at fishmen island after timeskip.
At least I was expecting Zoro to learn it as he's all the time training and getting strong.

odiddy is cooked as an author

that's why

 

[TheLastBerserker]

It’s funny how people willl bend over backwards to downplay Killingham.

“No, the summoner not having any summons available is not a nerf”

Watch the trident have the ability to ignore defenses