It's very rare, and I'd even say never, that in the post time skip one piece, a new peace of information fits past events so well. But here we are. From this "sense of self," or whatever that means, we can see that Meme's inability to deal any serious damage to Kid and Law, is due to her fucked up mental state and indentety crisis. Just like Sanji who has to fix his mental issues to unlock CoC, Meme has her own issues that never allowed her to unlock her full potential, while Shanks on the other hand, who has zero mental problems, one shoted Kid.
Powers & Abilities Big Mom has the weakest CoC by the newly confirmed CoC rules.
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Yonkos nerfed too much. Big mom looks like a normal bad character to me. She doesn't has yonko aura. She was completely bad written by Oda. She lost the battle from noob Trafalgar and trash Kid. Only whitebeard looks like yonko and littlebit kaido too, but nerfed too much and fluffy god fruit change a lot the battle.
I agree, she never grew into her full potential, because of her mental state.
Same with Kaido: when drunk he became true(er) to himself and let out repressed emotions and thus his haki canonly got stronger and he could even tap into what might have been an otherwise uncontrolled awakening state (jailor beasts alike).
Both were very corrupted and misled people, hence they could never unlock their true potential, when they arguably had some of the highest natural potential in the verse.
In contrary joyful and light hearted guys like Shanks and Roger prolly obtained the strongest non harley god haki. They are and know themselves.
Edit: the scene with Luffy during the Katakuri fight, where he says what's on his mind - hungry & tired iirc - with that small Rayleigh FB, might very well play into that aswell.
Same with Kaido: when drunk he became true(er) to himself and let out repressed emotions and thus his haki canonly got stronger and he could even tap into what might have been an otherwise uncontrolled awakening state (jailor beasts alike).
Both were very corrupted and misled people, hence they could never unlock their true potential, when they arguably had some of the highest natural potential in the verse.
In contrary joyful and light hearted guys like Shanks and Roger prolly obtained the strongest non harley god haki. They are and know themselves.
Edit: the scene with Luffy during the Katakuri fight, where he says what's on his mind - hungry & tired iirc - with that small Rayleigh FB, might very well play into that aswell.
Delusional cope. Law and kidd were left exhausted and unable to fight after BFROing her out (they didnt KO her)
BM's ACoC was portrayed on the same scale as the others in GV
She didnt imbue ACoC in her attacks against the duo
Her base form CoC clashed equally with base Kaido
The ONLY confirmed fact is Shanks haki is WEAKER than Mihawk as swordsmen
Meanwhile Kaido the WSC never beat her in her prime and never will, as confirmed in god valley
BM's ACoC was portrayed on the same scale as the others in GV
She didnt imbue ACoC in her attacks against the duo
Her base form CoC clashed equally with base Kaido
The ONLY confirmed fact is Shanks haki is WEAKER than Mihawk as swordsmen
Meanwhile Kaido the WSC never beat her in her prime and never will, as confirmed in god valley
Unironically I agree lol.
Mentally unstable.
Admirals clash and fight against Yonko and other top tiers without using CoC or ACoC all the time.
Whatever bro. If you like Mihawk so much then I agree with you. Can we now remove him from this topic.
In one piece top tiers never beat each other, at least in a fair fight.
Mentally unstable.
Admirals clash and fight against Yonko and other top tiers without using CoC or ACoC all the time.
Whatever bro. If you like Mihawk so much then I agree with you. Can we now remove him from this topic.
In one piece top tiers never beat each other, at least in a fair fight.
I still don't know what the fuck Oda was doing with Big Mom.
The memory loss made her a joke.
Same ol' LOLda that cannot write a fully evil/amoral female character.
Compare Big Mom to Kaido.
Kaido only believes in strenght and wanted to launch the world in a perpetual state of war after destroying the status quo with an engineered DF army. Could be a sci fi villain.
Big Mom is evil due to past trauma due to her absurd strenght but deep down gentle soul.
The memory loss made her a joke.
Same ol' LOLda that cannot write a fully evil/amoral female character.
Compare Big Mom to Kaido.
Kaido only believes in strenght and wanted to launch the world in a perpetual state of war after destroying the status quo with an engineered DF army. Could be a sci fi villain.
Big Mom is evil due to past trauma due to her absurd strenght but deep down gentle soul.
Unironically I agree lol.
Mentally unstable.
Admirals clash and fight against Yonko and other top tiers without using CoC or ACoC all the time.
Whatever bro. If you like Mihawk so much then I agree with you. Can we now remove him from this topic.
In one piece top tiers never beat each other, at least in a fair fight.
Mentally unstable.
Admirals clash and fight against Yonko and other top tiers without using CoC or ACoC all the time.
Whatever bro. If you like Mihawk so much then I agree with you. Can we now remove him from this topic.
In one piece top tiers never beat each other, at least in a fair fight.
Akainu beat Aokiji, Shanks humiliates Greenbull, Oden beat Kaido, WB beat Akainu, so yea youre lying/coping. BM made Dodger's crew sneak like a bunch of rats and never straight up defeated her despite having golden chance to do so
I think God Valley told us a lot, such as: Big Mom & Kaido simply never were the top of the tree and also never meant to be. They reached their status due to others dropping out, otherwise they would be closer to #10 than #1.
- Big Mom knew that she couldn't hang with WB, Roger, Garp or Xebec. Even Kaido, who was many years BMs junior, was already an extreme diff either way. And he far outgrew her in the decades to come.
- Kaido tried his best. He became incredibly strong. But even at his best he could never reach his idols WB or Xebec.
WB legitimately became WSM in the end. He never was the bragging type but he confirmed it himself in Marineford by saying "nobody can remain the strongest forever, isn't it enough that i raised these young souls" or something that effect. He was already the real deal at God Valley as evidenced by his clash vs DR Xebec compared to how Kaido and Big Mom fared (although I feel Oda did him bad with that Garp scene).
- Big Mom knew that she couldn't hang with WB, Roger, Garp or Xebec. Even Kaido, who was many years BMs junior, was already an extreme diff either way. And he far outgrew her in the decades to come.
- Kaido tried his best. He became incredibly strong. But even at his best he could never reach his idols WB or Xebec.
WB legitimately became WSM in the end. He never was the bragging type but he confirmed it himself in Marineford by saying "nobody can remain the strongest forever, isn't it enough that i raised these young souls" or something that effect. He was already the real deal at God Valley as evidenced by his clash vs DR Xebec compared to how Kaido and Big Mom fared (although I feel Oda did him bad with that Garp scene).
-Dodger and his crew never beat BM, not even on her turf when he was coming up for poneglyphs
-WB got treated like a measly pirate who ran away from Garp like BM & Kaido
-In the prime of her piracy, she was competing with WB and Dodger
-Garp never captured her despite staying in the same island for decades, unlike other top tiers who kept sailing
-Dodger's title is for circumnavigation, not for strength
-WB got treated like a measly pirate who ran away from Garp like BM & Kaido
-In the prime of her piracy, she was competing with WB and Dodger
-Garp never captured her despite staying in the same island for decades, unlike other top tiers who kept sailing
-Dodger's title is for circumnavigation, not for strength
Big mom would have one shot Kid in the same circumstances.
Without the damned punk implosion, Kidd wasn't going down.
And Big mom did use Acoc in the fight vs Kidd/Law, clearly shown in the panel with damned punk hitting her. And obviously we know acoc hasn't been depicted consistently, sometimes with black lighting and other times not...
Big mom did deal serious damage, but Kidd is literally the supernova with the greatest endurance/next to Luffy.
Without the damned punk implosion, Kidd wasn't going down.
And Big mom did use Acoc in the fight vs Kidd/Law, clearly shown in the panel with damned punk hitting her. And obviously we know acoc hasn't been depicted consistently, sometimes with black lighting and other times not...
Big mom did deal serious damage, but Kidd is literally the supernova with the greatest endurance/next to Luffy.
Big Mom and WB were giga nerfed, it has nothing to do with being weak in anything, Oda simply wanted them to be that vulnerable, its just that He wanted to honor one and humiliate the other, its just a story choice, I don't understand why people love to shit on Big Mom just because they dont like her role,
If Big Mom was a weak Top Tier, They would have called only WB an Emperor, not both.
If Big Mom was a weak Top Tier, They would have called only WB an Emperor, not both.
Wb was paired with bm and rookie kaido at the end of the arc as the next era that rose from GV not with roger and garp.
I mean hell prime gabban ray silver ass and shiki were non existent damn near during the whole thing on Gv and all were in there primes.
And yet the next coming decades was only the yonkos.
Past : Rocks garp roger
Present : Wb kaido bm
Future : Shanks luffy bb
Different eras yet they can still fight ppl on different tiers than them, that includes bm Loda is just a hack writer so she looks weaker than the rest.
I mean hell prime gabban ray silver ass and shiki were non existent damn near during the whole thing on Gv and all were in there primes.
And yet the next coming decades was only the yonkos.
Past : Rocks garp roger
Present : Wb kaido bm
Future : Shanks luffy bb
Different eras yet they can still fight ppl on different tiers than them, that includes bm Loda is just a hack writer so she looks weaker than the rest.
The main problem with Big Mom is she was always too physically strong. She only needed a little bit of haki to dominate most people and situations hence her haki is medium at best.
Kaido has suffered some major losses, he was basically getting bullied by marines as a youth, and even later by Xebec and Oden. I think these losses/situations made it clear to him his fruit and superior genes/physical strength doesn't really mean anything without top tier haki.
Like you can be sure midgets like Zoro/Shanks/Gaban etc will milk the haki powers to the fullest just to stand of the same general tier with BM Kaido and to some extent WB.
Kaido has suffered some major losses, he was basically getting bullied by marines as a youth, and even later by Xebec and Oden. I think these losses/situations made it clear to him his fruit and superior genes/physical strength doesn't really mean anything without top tier haki.
Like you can be sure midgets like Zoro/Shanks/Gaban etc will milk the haki powers to the fullest just to stand of the same general tier with BM Kaido and to some extent WB.
The next era belonged to Roger / Whitebeard / Shiki.
Kaido was from the same generation as Shanks (post-Oden's death)
Meme was satisfied with her little kingdom until Roger became the King of the Pirates and she got jealous.
Whitebeard's equals, Roger and Shiki, dropped out of the piracy business, giving Meme and Kaido a chance to play second fiddle to Whitebeard as mere Yonko.
Past - Rocks (Rocks' era)
Next - Roger / Whitebeard / Shiki (Roger's era)
Next - Whitebeard / Meme / Kaido / Red-Hair (Whitebeard's era)
Next - Blackbeard / Meme / Kaido / Red-Hair (post-Whitebeard's death)
Present - Blackbeard / Cross Guild / Luffy / Red-Hair (current events)
Kaido was from the same generation as Shanks (post-Oden's death)
Meme was satisfied with her little kingdom until Roger became the King of the Pirates and she got jealous.
Whitebeard's equals, Roger and Shiki, dropped out of the piracy business, giving Meme and Kaido a chance to play second fiddle to Whitebeard as mere Yonko.
Past - Rocks (Rocks' era)
Next - Roger / Whitebeard / Shiki (Roger's era)
Next - Whitebeard / Meme / Kaido / Red-Hair (Whitebeard's era)
Next - Blackbeard / Meme / Kaido / Red-Hair (post-Whitebeard's death)
Present - Blackbeard / Cross Guild / Luffy / Red-Hair (current events)
Shiki?? 
after nor during godvalley was he relevant silver ass is his peak below the yonko
it’s pretty obvious shanks isn’t part of the og yonko nor is he grouped with them he was practically a brat compared to wb kaido and bm. His era is with bb and luffy and buggy which sounds about right
one is his former crew mate
One is practically his successor
and the other is his sworn enemy.
wb after gv was placed by the narrator right beside bm and rookie kaido as the ones who ruled the seas next as a “mere yonko” wb era was not during rocks and rogers and garp.
pre GV he was just a crew member of rocks. Garp was already world renowned and roger already had his crew.
after nor during godvalley was he relevant silver ass is his peak below the yonko
it’s pretty obvious shanks isn’t part of the og yonko nor is he grouped with them he was practically a brat compared to wb kaido and bm. His era is with bb and luffy and buggy which sounds about right
one is his former crew mate
One is practically his successor
and the other is his sworn enemy.
wb after gv was placed by the narrator right beside bm and rookie kaido as the ones who ruled the seas next as a “mere yonko” wb era was not during rocks and rogers and garp.
pre GV he was just a crew member of rocks. Garp was already world renowned and roger already had his crew.
Shiki??
after nor during godvalley was he relevant silver ass is his peak below the yonko
it’s pretty obvious shanks isn’t part of the og yonko nor is he grouped with them he was practically a brat compared to wb kaido and bm. His era is with bb and luffy and buggy which sounds about right
one is his former crew mate
One is practically his successor
and the other is his sworn enemy.
wb after gv was placed by the narrator right beside bm and rookie kaido as the ones who ruled the seas next as a “mere yonko” wb era was not during rocks and rogers and garp can’t have pre GV he was just a crew member of rocks. Garp was already world renowned and roger already had his crew.
after nor during godvalley was he relevant silver ass is his peak below the yonko
it’s pretty obvious shanks isn’t part of the og yonko nor is he grouped with them he was practically a brat compared to wb kaido and bm. His era is with bb and luffy and buggy which sounds about right
one is his former crew mate
One is practically his successor
and the other is his sworn enemy.
wb after gv was placed by the narrator right beside bm and rookie kaido as the ones who ruled the seas next as a “mere yonko” wb era was not during rocks and rogers and garp can’t have pre GV he was just a crew member of rocks. Garp was already world renowned and roger already had his crew.
It's very obvious Oda put Meme and Kaido there as callback to the mere Yonko lol
We saw how those weakling got packed by reversi Rocks
Shiki was Roger and Whitebeard's peer in the next era, Chapter 0 confirm this you silly Yonkopleb.
Kaido was in Wano for at least 8 years as Orochi's personal bodygaurd, he only was able to leave once Oden died.
He literally dropped out from Roger's era because he lacked strength compared to Roger or Whitebeard (he couldn't even beat their henchman Oden 😂), that's why he needed to follow the Kurozumi's plan - to get Wano's weapons and a stronghold.
Meme was busy getting knocked up by every race and kingdom building she didn't have time for piracy.
Again - Roger / Whitebeard / Shiki
That's the established powerhouses of Roger's era, cry about it little Yonkopleb.
