Chapter Discussion zoro s hakimanship cracks the giant ship

[ImmaIvanoM]

"It was my strength that was lacking"
"Lolden wielded you easily even with so much haki being drained away"
"i don't have much time. If the fight drags on, enma will kill me"

As usual I have explain obvious things

1. Zoro is a 3 sword style user. Meaning for him to fight effectively, he has to give his haki Equally to all 3 of his swords.

That’s why theres the same amount of haki lightning and haki flames on all 3 swords.

When Zoro uses KoH, Zoro has to match the amount of Ryuo Enma is sucking with himself giving his two other swords that much haki too. Get it?

and as you can tell, Oden is a two sword user, not a 3 sword user

2. Running out of one type of Haki doesn’t mean you use then use other types haki, as seen with G4 Luffy. Luffy is fully exhausted after using JUST ARMAMENT in g4

Luffy doesn’t have the abiiity to use CoC or CoO once he runs out of Armament because all haki is connected like that. Exhausting all your haki while using Armament means you CANNOT use ANY HAKI afterwards

Zoro says that he will die from the amount of Haki Enma is sucking. Well, first of all, It’s not just Enma, Zoro is matching Enma’s Ryuo suck with his other swords to produce that much haki for all his swords. Secondly, Zoro running out Armament for Enma to suck doesn’t then mean Enma starts sucking CoC since Running out armament means you have run out of haki IN GENERAL.

Understand? Luffy running out of armament from g4 means Luffy also can’t use CoO or CoC. So Zoro running out Armament with Enma also means Zoro cannot use CoC or CoO afterwards

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Nope. Kozaburo never said shit about Ryuo at all. You guys are just making up shit just to make sense of the broken headcanons in your heads. Bring me the panel if you can.


Once again you fixate on a single word while ignoring the meaning of other words and things said in the manga...

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"It was my strength that was lacking"
"Lolden wielded you easily even with so much haki being drained away"
"i don't have much time. If the fight drags on, enma will kill me"


So lolden wielded emma easily while zoro struggles hard, and literally says emma will kill him if the fight drags on and he doesn't have much time.

We can easily understand what this all means. Well people who actually read the manga can. Not people like you guys who are too deep into the agenda that you can't even see basic facts and can't even connect two simple dots to understand the mechanics of emma.

What those lines say without outright using the word "satisfy" is, Zoro cannot satisfy emma while lolden could.

We have never seen lolden struggle with emma AT ALL. We don't see anything that indicates it is affecting lolden or sucking out so much of his haki that it's actively killing him.

We can come to a conclusion by reading that. The actual, factual, logical conclusion that is supported by the manga and basically outright stated by zoro himself in the first pic above.

Lolden was far far stronger than zoro and had enough haki reserves to comfortably feed emma in battle and never have to worry about emma not being satisfied. That emma had enough haki from lolden that it neven needed to suck everything it can get out of lolden and put him in danger of dying from haki drain.

That is literally what zoro says in that page. This is a fact. There's no other way anyone can interpret that. You guys certainly do try hard to interpret in some other ways but manga facts from your own guy's mouth just fucks all that up.

"My strength is lacking"
"Lolden wielded emma easily at full throttle, while it is actively killing me when i am wielding it at full throttle"

These are pure cold hard manga facts.

And from this, we(people without a pro zoro agenda) can extrapolate that because lolden had enough coa reserves to satisfy emma in battles, it never needed to suck out his coc and convert it into acoc. That is why lolden did not unlock acoc by wielding the magic sword emma.

But zoro's own haki reserves are as implied by himself, far lower than lolden. So emma resorts to sucking out whatever it can get, and in that process, zoro's dormant coc that he himself didn't even know he had, gets brought out and turned to acoc.

That's it.

Zoro hasn't struggled with Enma since Wano or mentioned Enma at all.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

1. Zoro is a 3 sword style user. Meaning for him to fight effectively, he has to give his haki Equally to all 3 of his swords.

That’s why theres the same amount of haki lightning and haki flames on all 3 swords.

When Zoro uses KoH, Zoro has to match the amount of Ryuo Enma is sucking with himself giving his two other swords that much haki too. Get it?

No lol

Emma just sucks it out of him. Once it's out, it's on zoro to distribute it equally to all 3 swords which is what he does. It's not a beam or coating that only works on emma. Haki can be manipulated. That's the entire principal behind coating various body parts and even weapons.

They coat the weapons with haki by pulling it from inside and applying it to the weapons. Even projectile weapons.

So emma sucking acoc out doesn't mean only emma gets acoc lol

As usual, you simply do not understand mid piece power systems even tho they are as simple as can be

and as you can tell, Oden is a two sword user, not a 3 sword user

See above

2. Running out of one type of Haki doesn’t mean you use then use other types haki, as seen with G4 Luffy. Luffy is fully exhausted after using JUST ARMAMENT in g4

condom did not have a magic sword that was literally pulling haki out of him. Condom ran out by wasting coa with an inefficient technique like g4.

condom most likely would have awakened acoc pre rooftop if he was given emma and he let emma suck as much as it wanted too.

Luffy doesn’t have the abiiity to use CoC or CoO once he runs out of Armament because all haki is connected like that. Exhausting all your haki while using Armament means you CANNOT use ANY HAKI afterwards

cause he's exhausted as fuck and can't do shit.

and he just said haki. Which is obviously referring to coa cause that's what g4 is all about. coo is useless in that state cause he's exhausted as fuck.

And also, once again the situations are different. Cause he didn't have a magic sword sucking out so much haki that it would kill him.

Zoro says that he will die from the amount of Haki Enma is sucking. Well, first of all, It’s not just Enma, Zoro is matching Enma’s Ryuo suck with his other swords to produce that much haki for all his swords. Secondly,

he doesn't say "the total haki usage on all 3 swords will kill me" does he? He specifically mentions emma killing him multiple times. Cause that's emma's magic.

And i explained above how he coats the haki emma sucks out equally on all 3 swords. Cause haki is something that can be manipulated according to the user's will.

Zoro running out Armament for Enma to suck doesn’t then mean Enma starts sucking CoC since Running out armament means you have run out of haki IN GENERAL.

Emma starts sucking out acoc once zoro allows it to suck full throttle. Zoro can control emma and restrict it. That was always obvious and clear from the start. Cause he literally stopped emma's suck the first time he got it. And also the sword wasn't actively killing him up until the king fight. But that's of course him not measuring up to it's standard.

It sucks out acoc when zoro gives it unrestricted access to suck. That's what happened against kaido with the asura, and against king when he unlocked acoc too. Emma is sucking out both coa and acoc simultaneously when given full suck permission. Cause that's it's magic power.

Lolden apparently had enough coa that it never needed to suck lolden's acoc or kill him from the suck. Zoro doesn't or didn't. Which makes sense cause lolden was wanked to high heavens by lolda even as a kid. Zoro is just a dude.

Understand? Luffy running out of armament from g4 means Luffy also can’t use CoO or CoC. So Zoro running out Armament with Enma also means Zoro cannot use CoC or CoO afterwards

Not how magic sword emma works.

Zoro hasn't struggled with Enma since Wano or mentioned Enma at all.

Cause he hasn't been in a fight where he had to let emma suck it all out. He hasn't gotten an extreme diff fight where he had to grow. And now he's learned to use acoc by himself. So unless someone pushes him to extreme extreme diff, i doubt he would need to rely on emma's max suck again.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Once it's out

Nope, that’s not how Enma works, We saw this when Zoro first picked it. It sucks all the haki directly into itself.

That’s why the Hand Zoro is holding Enma with gets dried up

Not how magic sword emma works.

Every character’s haki works the same way. Haki is the same energy pool for every character

since draining all your CoA is the same as Draining all your CoC and CoO for Luffy, this then becomes the universal way Haki works for everyone

Your bizarre idea that Enma creates a new haki pool the breaks the logic of every other haki user is your headcanon

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Nope, that’s not how Enma works, We saw this when Zoro first picked it. It sucks all the haki directly into itself.

That’s why the Hand Zoro is holding Enma with gets dried up

He wasn't holding his other swords or trying to spread the haki. He was testing the sword out for the first time...

Every character’s haki works the same way. Haki is the same energy pool for every character

Not when magic swords are involved

since draining all your CoA is the same as Draining all your CoC and CoO for Luffy, this then becomes the universal way Haki works for everyone

Where is it stated that it drained his coc and coo?

He just says haki. Which from context means coa since that's what he uses for g4.

Your bizarre idea that Enma creates a new haki pool the breaks the logic of every other haki user is your headcanon

do not talk about headcanon when yall refuse to accept the manga fact that Emma is the reason zoro could use acoc against king and till now lol.

My "headcanon" is based on manga facts and words of zoro himself. Yall are making shit up that aint even in the manga.

You literally said Kozaburo talked about Ryuo in the previous reply. I asked you to post the panel. You didn't.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

No lol

Emma just sucks it out of him. Once it's out, it's on zoro to distribute it equally to all 3 swords which is what he does. It's not a beam or coating that only works on emma. Haki can be manipulated. That's the entire principal behind coating various body parts and even weapons.

They coat the weapons with haki by pulling it from inside and applying it to the weapons. Even projectile weapons.

So emma sucking acoc out doesn't mean only emma gets acoc lol

As usual, you simply do not understand mid piece power systems even tho they are as simple as can be


See above


condom did not have a magic sword that was literally pulling haki out of him. Condom ran out by wasting coa with an inefficient technique like g4.

condom most likely would have awakened acoc pre rooftop if he was given emma and he let emma suck as much as it wanted too.


cause he's exhausted as fuck and can't do shit.

and he just said haki. Which is obviously referring to coa cause that's what g4 is all about. coo is useless in that state cause he's exhausted as fuck.

And also, once again the situations are different. Cause he didn't have a magic sword sucking out so much haki that it would kill him.


he doesn't say "the total haki usage on all 3 swords will kill me" does he? He specifically mentions emma killing him multiple times. Cause that's emma's magic.

And i explained above how he coats the haki emma sucks out equally on all 3 swords. Cause haki is something that can be manipulated according to the user's will.


Emma starts sucking out acoc once zoro allows it to suck full throttle. Zoro can control emma and restrict it. That was always obvious and clear from the start. Cause he literally stopped emma's suck the first time he got it. And also the sword wasn't actively killing him up until the king fight. But that's of course him not measuring up to it's standard.

It sucks out acoc when zoro gives it unrestricted access to suck. That's what happened against kaido with the asura, and against king when he unlocked acoc too. Emma is sucking out both coa and acoc simultaneously when given full suck permission. Cause that's it's magic power.

Lolden apparently had enough coa that it never needed to suck lolden's acoc or kill him from the suck. Zoro doesn't or didn't. Which makes sense cause lolden was wanked to high heavens by lolda even as a kid. Zoro is just a dude.


Not how magic sword emma works.


Cause he hasn't been in a fight where he had to let emma suck it all out. He hasn't gotten an extreme diff fight where he had to grow. And now he's learned to use acoc by himself. So unless someone pushes him to extreme extreme diff, i doubt he would need to rely on emma's max suck again.

So you going to do this Enma gimmick till Nusjuro fight or Mihawk fight and when your proven wrong that he will never again say he struggling with Enma. That was a one arc thing bro.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

So you going to do this Enma gimmick till Nusjuro fight or Mihawk fight and when your proven wrong that he will never again say he struggling with Enma. That was a one arc thing bro.

There's no gimmick

"One arc thing"

So a thing that literally happened. And yall just choose to ignore it cause it goes against your headcanons

 

[HA001]

There's no gimmick

"One arc thing"

So a thing that literally happened. And yall just choose to ignore it cause it goes against your headcanons

It never happened.
Enma has never once taken coc in the manga
Ever.
Enma has only ever had coc when zoro released all his haki into all his swords.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Enma has only ever had coc when zoro released all his haki into all his swords.

using emma's suck ability...
that's why he said emma will kill him...

 

[HA001]

using emma's suck ability...
that's why he said emma will kill him...

No retard. Enmas ability doesnt go on his other 2 swords.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

No retard. Enmas ability doesnt go on his other 2 swords.

he can manipulate the haki that's sucked out clown

that's basic haki shit

 

[HA001]

he can manipulate the haki that's sucked out clown

that's basic haki shit

Tf are u talking about.

Him releasing all his haki into ALL 3 SWORDS has nothing to do with enma its zoro thats doing it.

The haki goes from him into each sword

Not all into enma and then to the other 2 swords

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Tf are u talking about.

Him releasing all his haki into ALL 3 SWORDS has nothing to do with enma its zoro thats doing it.

The haki goes from him into each sword

Not all into enma and then to the other 2 swords

then he'd be saying "all 3 swords will kill me" dumbfuck. Not emma will kill me

 

[HA001]

then he'd be saying "all 3 swords will kill me" dumbfuck. Not emma will kill me

Lmfao its too easy to crush you, youre so fucking dumb

He aint putting coc into all 3 swords at once you absolute moron.
He only has a constant flow of coa into his swords vs king

The coc is used in moments.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

There's no gimmick

"One arc thing"

So a thing that literally happened. And yall just choose to ignore it cause it goes against your headcanons

Literally a gimmick. Zoro never going to mention struggling with Enma ever again in this series. So you going to just keep saying the samething every arc till EOS

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Lmfao its too easy to crush you, youre so fucking dumb

He aint putting coc into all 3 swords at once you absolute moron.
He only has a constant flow of coa into his swords vs king

The coc is used in moments.

you just making up shit eh?

zoro was literally saying he gonna die because of emma usage lol

If he was using acoc sparingly, he wouldn't be in any danger retard. Cause that's literally how every acoc user uses it. It's only cause of the uncontrolled suck that he was gonna die

Btw @ImmaIvanoM , i did find the "satisfy" thing lol

Well not exactly "satisfy" the word. But its synonym "appease" used by zoro himself in reference to emma sucking and how it would kill him.

so there you go

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Literally a gimmick. Zoro never going to mention struggling with Enma ever again in this series. So you going to just keep saying the samething every arc till EOS

Because he never had a real fight after king...
Bro i literally wrote that like two replies ago lol

Look at the above image. Oda spend an awful lot of panels on a supposed "gimmick" through out the arc. Almost like it was an actual plot point or something

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

you just making up shit eh?

zoro was literally saying he gonna die because of emma usage lol

If he was using acoc sparingly, he wouldn't be in any danger retard. Cause that's literally how every acoc user uses it. It's only cause of the uncontrolled suck that he was gonna die

Btw @ImmaIvanoM , i did find the "satisfy" thing lol

Well not exactly "satisfy" the word. But its synonym "appease" used by zoro himself in reference to emma sucking and how it would kill him.

so there you go

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Because he never had a real fight after king...
Bro i literally wrote that like two replies ago lol

Look at the above image. Oda spend an awful lot of panels on a supposed "gimmick" through out the arc. Almost like it was an actual plot point or something

I literally know what you saud. I am saying Zoro no matter what fight he has will never say he struggling with Enma. Just like when he used Sandai or shisui. Its just an arc thing. Its not going to be highlighted again. Zoro literally going to get a new sword and the concentration and narrative will move on to that.

 

[HA001]

you just making up shit eh?

zoro was literally saying he gonna die because of emma usage lol

If he was using acoc sparingly, he wouldn't be in any danger retard. Cause that's literally how every acoc user uses it. It's only cause of the uncontrolled suck that he was gonna die

Btw @ImmaIvanoM , i did find the "satisfy" thing lol

Well not exactly "satisfy" the word. But its synonym "appease" used by zoro himself in reference to emma sucking and how it would kill him.

so there you go

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Because he never had a real fight after king...
Bro i literally wrote that like two replies ago lol

Look at the above image. Oda spend an awful lot of panels on a supposed "gimmick" through out the arc. Almost like it was an actual plot point or something

Theres literally no acoc on his swords in that panel moron

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Theres literally no acoc on his swords in that panel moron

what was he dying from?

I literally know what you saud. I am saying Zoro no matter what fight he has will never say he struggling with Enma. Just like when he used Sandai or shisui. Its just an arc thing. Its not going to be highlighted again. Zoro literally going to get a new sword and the concentration and narrative will move on to that.

did it happen or no?

 

[HA001]

what was he dying from?


did it happen or no?

The constant coa on his swords