Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1197 Spoilers Discussion

[Crocks]

That’s why the Zoro fandom is cooler. Zoro doesn’t mess around with all that sappy, touchy-feely nonsense. He just does what needs to be done, drops a badass line, and unleashes an attack with some schizo sounding name.

 

[kekaro]

Azula had blue flame in avatar to showcase how she was "better" than other firebenders.
It's nothing new.

Again.
Just because it's a fantasy setting, doesn't mean authors wont use real world stuff on it.


But in OP, Oda already established that Magma is the "upgrade" of Fire. Despite the fact that magma is molten rock.

But you said "sanji will not get black flames, look at blue flames, which is an actual thing."
I just dont agree. This chapter is proof against it. The literal highest degree flames in the real world are blue-white flames which sanji already has, yet he is getting an upgrade, which doesnt even make sense

If anything this chapter is proof oda is going into the magic realm now

 

[JEK892]

I have Law showing Supreme King against Blackbeard in a rematch. What do you think?

I could also see it being a Gorosei/God's Knight.

Law's hatred for the WG over Flevance Town and the White Lead still needs to be explored. Which is why I'm hoping Zunesha felt Imu's Haki spawn in, and is sauntering over to Elbaph with Bepo and Law on board.

Wasn't the incident with Flecance one of the few times the WG was NOT primarily responsible for the shit show that occurred? I think their only involvement was like some middle management inspector discovered that the white lead was toxic, reported it to the rulers of Flevance, and they didn't care because they were greedy. After that it was just human nature, greed and fear. The WG's biggest crime there was not intervening abd stopping everything that happened with Flevance and the surrounding nations, which is......a lot less than they usually do. Lol. I doubt Law has a crazy amount of hatred for them specifically, over say.....the unnamed country whose soldiers murdered his family.

 

[kekaro]

I think Zoro will unlock a black blade in this arc

Only the biggest zoro hater could wrote this tbh.
Oda getting death threats if true

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

Im so confused, so does he reject the modifications or is it more an acceptance of it being passive? This whole eyebrow thing has been so poorly portrayed!

 

[Devilbat]

I enjoyed it, it was an another classic Zoro vs Monet moment where Sommer's ran away from Zoro.

Monet seemed to be more of a problem though. Sommers was clearly a mess since his introduction

 

[soheilhazrat]

I think Zoro will unlock a black blade in this arc

Unlocking black blade against bonnie blue of one piece would be biggest anti zoro thing ever

 

[Rumble]

Gonna have to wait for the scans in regards to the brow thing, but imo it would be much more poignant thematically if it's about Sanji reappropriating the modifications inside of him as something of his own, not rejecting them.

That's what happened.

There are just a lot of Sanji fans enamored with the idea of him having a choice over his Germa buffs, so he has a base mode and an enhanced mode.

Not only is the concept of an on-and-off switch for genetic mutations stupid, it completely dilutes the dilemma Sanji was facing when he made peace with the changes.

Sanji is no longer allowing Germa to define his relationship with his body.

That doesn't mean the Germa buffs go away - they can't - but it does mean he's accepting his body as his own, i.e. he's choosing self-love and is stronger for it.

 

[Rumble]

@Doggo we really need to see the dialogue this chapter. Because the way it’s phrased in redons mini section it sounds like Sanjis monologue is about him protecting this body from Germa not accepting his body.

This is just an insane take, dude.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

A friendly reminder that Zoro believes in Sanji and his CoC

@HA001 Were you the one saying that Zoro didn't hype Sanji?

 

[JEK892]

worst cyborg of them all

But.....but nobody can beat him when he's Super 17?

 

[DarkestKnightofSpoilers]

Since Sanji is cool now,are you betraying the fandom now too @Mr. Reloaded














@Doggo

 

[Devilbat]

Im so confused, so does he reject the modifications or is it more an acceptance of it being passive? This whole eyebrow thing has been so poorly portrayed!

I think it's more of acceptance that his body isn't just what judge produced, it's a legacy of his mom, Jeff's upbringing, his own training, etc m

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Since Sanji is cool now,are you betraying the fandom now too @Mr. Reloaded














@Doggo

Like @Devilbat says

Betrayal is inevitable

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

I think it's more of acceptance that his body isn't just what judge produced, it's a legacy of his mom, Jeff's upbringing, his own training, etc m

Yes, but the genes are from Judge!
That's like saying my mother gave birth to me and my stepfather trained me. Like, really?! You are still a product of your father.

His dialogue doesnt convey this in any way. I am just confused by this!

 

[Rumble]

Im so confused, so does he reject the modifications or is it more an acceptance of it being passive? This whole eyebrow thing has been so poorly portrayed!

The buffs are permanent.

What has changed is that Sanji no longer allows Germa to define his relationship with his body.

His body never belonged to Germa, and his relationship with is now based in self-love.

 

[Shiroyru]

@Shiroyru weird oda spent so much time focusing on a “drawing error”

Kudos to @Rumble

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

The buffs are permanent.

What has changed is that Sanji no longer allows Germa to define his relationship with his body.

His body never belonged to Germa, and his relationship with is now based in self-love.

His body is literally a product of Germa's science. Now he may say that his body just isnt Germa's but a product of his mom, zeff and Ivankov, but 'sticking his head in the sand' about his body not being influenced by Germa is absurd.

 

[Devilbat]

Like @Devilbat says

Betrayal is inevitable

Where @Mr. Reloaded goes, betrayal follows. Today it's the Temple, after that - Mr Prince and his fans. We never know when, we don't know who will get backstabbed, but we know that it's inevitable.

Btw, @Mr. Reloaded, what is with that timer? I remember you set up a plan for betrayal in like 2 years some time ago, has it already happened or is the clock still ticking?

 

[Rumble]

His body is literally a product of Germa's science. Now he may say that his body just isnt Germa's but a product of his mom, zeff and Ivankov, but 'sticking his head in the sand' about his body not being influenced by Germa is absurd.

In the chapter Sanji identifies Germa as the root cause of his lack of care for himself in battle.

He was allowing Germa to define his relationship with his body.

Now he is past that and defines that relationship by self-love. He reaches that breakthrough and thanks the people that helped him along the way.