Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1197: Love is Defense
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He said that Sanji's Speed/Disappearance: Sanji's new ability to "disappear" comes from extreme speed rather than invisibility.
He did not mention Queen but still you have to look at things in context .
You have to take the opponent into account but i don't mind being wrong if we see it ever use again lol .
He did not mention Queen but still you have to look at things in context .
You have to take the opponent into account but i don't mind being wrong if we see it ever use again lol .
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Sure but he said he acquired the ability to vanish.
Dont you think thats dumb in that context?
People can vanish against lower-tier themselves since literally early East Blue, see kuro, surely oda would not make such a statement in the SBS if it was just some random shit that casually happens
Yeah, obviously it's to some extent relative to the opponent, but the only one that has such a sbs statement is kizaru
I mean you compare that to other instances but i find it pretty cap ngl
Dont you think thats dumb in that context?
People can vanish against lower-tier themselves since literally early East Blue, see kuro, surely oda would not make such a statement in the SBS if it was just some random shit that casually happens
Yeah, obviously it's to some extent relative to the opponent, but the only one that has such a sbs statement is kizaru
I mean you compare that to other instances but i find it pretty cap ngl
I think people confuse things because They equate fights that appear at same time,
The order isn't same for Monster Trio,
Zoro's Equivalent of Mr. 2 Fight happened in Thriller Bark against Zombie Ryuma,
Luffy's Equivalent of Mr. 1 Fight happened in Enies Lobby against Rob Lucci,
Sanji's Equivalent of King Fight happened now in Elbaph against Killingham,
I'm not talking about Power Levels, I'm talking about similar Experience, similar Fight Philosophy,
It's like Oda came up with a certain number of Fight "Types" and He gives Monster Trio different Fights based on those Types,
But not in same Order or Priority,
Zoro's Equivalent of Queen Fight didn't arrive yet, (Where He questions his Origin + Swords)
Sanji's Equivalent of Sommers Fight didn't arrive yet, (Where He spends the entire Fight thinking about CoC & it's Users)
The order isn't same for Monster Trio,
Zoro's Equivalent of Mr. 2 Fight happened in Thriller Bark against Zombie Ryuma,
Luffy's Equivalent of Mr. 1 Fight happened in Enies Lobby against Rob Lucci,
Sanji's Equivalent of King Fight happened now in Elbaph against Killingham,
I'm not talking about Power Levels, I'm talking about similar Experience, similar Fight Philosophy,
It's like Oda came up with a certain number of Fight "Types" and He gives Monster Trio different Fights based on those Types,
But not in same Order or Priority,
Zoro's Equivalent of Queen Fight didn't arrive yet, (Where He questions his Origin + Swords)
Sanji's Equivalent of Sommers Fight didn't arrive yet, (Where He spends the entire Fight thinking about CoC & it's Users)
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I don’t think this was as great a chapter as the last one because I’m very much over Sanji whining about Germa, but if it means that we can go the rest of the series without it I’ll be delighted.
Oda really needs to learn that you can’t just give a powerup to an enemy and then neutralise it immediately. That Omen armour is a great design, but it’s a waste when Sanji overcomes it immediately. He should have used the armour earlier in the fight with Sanji incapable of doing anything to it, then after he gets CoC we see it shattered. Like go back to CP9 and Tekkai and that’s why Luffy dealing with Blueno was so effective, because Tekkai had been so far insurmountable.
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Oda really needs to learn that you can’t just give a powerup to an enemy and then neutralise it immediately. That Omen armour is a great design, but it’s a waste when Sanji overcomes it immediately. He should have used the armour earlier in the fight with Sanji incapable of doing anything to it, then after he gets CoC we see it shattered. Like go back to CP9 and Tekkai and that’s why Luffy dealing with Blueno was so effective, because Tekkai had been so far insurmountable.
Spelling shield wrong on the last page is diabolical.
I really do hope Oda keeps it up with what he's doing with Sanji. This is a major milestone for Sanji's progress but I hope there's plenty in store and that it's handled well. This is Sanji's best fight since pretimeskip, I just hope this amount of focus is given in the later arcs. Very impressed with Oda this chapter.
Wings are Admiral level, but it's not like any of the current Admirals are scraping the barrel for meeting that standard.
Even if you divide Admirals in an Upper Admiral tier and Lower Admiral tier, none of the Admirals considered to be lower tier is or should be perceived as only just making the cut.
Zoro and Sanji are meaningful challenges now, to such an extent fighting the lower tier Admirals (Ryokugyu and Fujitora) would just be an a guaranteed opportunity win an extreme diff fight being weaker at the start.
Even if you divide Admirals in an Upper Admiral tier and Lower Admiral tier, none of the Admirals considered to be lower tier is or should be perceived as only just making the cut.
Zoro and Sanji are meaningful challenges now, to such an extent fighting the lower tier Admirals (Ryokugyu and Fujitora) would just be an a guaranteed opportunity win an extreme diff fight being weaker at the start.
Admirals should also have kings haki if you think about it cause if not with this lvl of they could've been Imus strongest knights, also with Zoro and Sanji having Kings haki they should also have it. Even though Luffy had a hard time against Kizaru, it seems kinhs haki didn't have much difference against his so i am not sure.
I won't call Ryokugyu and Fujitora low tier admirals.
I mean we not really see what they can do but shit look at what fuji did on DR with all that stone etc etc and was easy as hell for him .
Shit for all we know he can make gravity so insane around him for eg that hard just to get to him or lift up island .
His DF can be super fucking broken if Oda wants and more insane than all the other admirals .
I mean we not really see what they can do but shit look at what fuji did on DR with all that stone etc etc and was easy as hell for him .
Shit for all we know he can make gravity so insane around him for eg that hard just to get to him or lift up island .
His DF can be super fucking broken if Oda wants and more insane than all the other admirals .
