Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1197: Love is Defense

[Hiragaro]

Your explanation would mean sanji kicked and accelerated Killingham above lightning speed, as the explosion is in the middle of taking place and in the panel Killingham is already past it

The explosion itself is not light speed tho, but Sanji's speed seems to be comparable, based on feats.

idk why do sanjis kick randomy have laser effects last chapter? Ask oda

But non of those kicks created explosions tho.
Also, we see how Sanji kicked KH in the face and there was no explosion, so why would he explode hiting the building lol

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Sanji wrapping himself in armor coming soon to a theater near you.

I've had Lilith and Franky making Sanji a Sora, Knight of the Sea Raid Suit, for a long time, because I believe Sora, Knight of the Sea is a comic created by Vegapunk in Sanji's mother's, Sora's, honor.

BUT, it's entirely possible Luffy makes Sanji armor out of Gear 5 before/after that.

 

[kekaro]

The explosion itself is not light speed tho, but Sanji's speed seems to be comparable, based on feats.

But the lightning attack is??
you said its the same attack sanji dodged already traveled, through multiple buildings, exploded, and then after having a exchange of an attack (killingham pushes a little back as his spear is not broken immediately) sanji kicked him so fast that he appeared BEHIND the explosion which is in the process of happening

Im not saying you are wrong im just trying to understand the speed here

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I will be honest, for the last 20 years, I never believed once that Sanji was on Zoro's power level.

Today, I bow before the new king.

I've said it ever since I joined here.

Sanji is on Zoro's level, HE NERFS HIMSELF. Not being able to attack Bon Kurei because he stole Nami's face, refusing to use his hands in combat EVEN AFTER DEVELOPING PHYSICAL REGEN.

The big thing I missed was Sanji taking more damage than he needs to.

Sanji's always been on Zoro's level, his MENTALITY, his self-hatred and putting women on a pedestal over men because his father and brothers are trash and only his mother and sister showed him love, is what has always kept him from fighting on Zoro's level.

Zoro is offensively stronger, Sanji is defensively stronger.

We've seen Robin accept herself in Elbaph/Egghead due to Saul's survival/Ohara's sacrifice resulting in Vegapunk's work, and we're now seeing Brook accept himself and his past after realizing Shuri's innocence and suffering.

I expect both Robin and Brook to Awaken their Fruits, here. Brook vs Gunko, and then his Awakening knocks her back to Shuri (well I think Shuri/Gunko are two separate people/personalities that need to have their own bodies, but that's another thread).

I swear to god if Jinbe doesn't get a power up soon I'm going to start accusing Oda of anti-Fish-Man discrimination... Even Franky got the Lilith tech.

Then Awakened Robin and Jinbe vs Zaza, I guess? I doubt Zaza is going down after Killingham does. I'd also like to see Awakened Robin get a shot off on Imu.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Killingham seems stronger than Sommers. Unlike Sommers I can definitely imagine Killingham with the Maki armor above Sanji’s previous opponent Queen, with or without regen.

 

[kekaro]

Killingham seems stronger than Sommers. Unlike Sommers I can definitely imagine Killingham with the Maki armor above Sanji’s previous opponent Queen, with or without regen.

Sanjino be moving like goku this chapter im so happy

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Sanjino be moving like goku this chapter im so happy

Fitting matchup against Kizaru especially if he learns Future Sight.

 

[OPKnK]

Luffy is not the fastest Straw Hat. Luffy just has Future Sight.

Luffy running through the air was stil slower than Kizaru when it came to actually chasing after him.

Of course luffy was still slower than Kizaru when chasing after him .
If he could have keep up after running after him he be running at light speed.
Which would beyond broken and i would hope Oda not be that stupid to turn luffy into the flash lol.
Also FS does not matter when it comes to going from point A to B when Kaido blast luffy hundreds of miles away with bolo he got back to him in seconds.( chapter 1045 is eg of this )
FS has nothing to do with when Imu and luffy were speed blitzing each other we been seeing that shit even before haki .
That what luffy was doing the door door guy when he first went into Gear 2 for eg

 

[Sanjiwillbeaking]

Do you think we will get Lili's backstory next or Gunko's?

 

[Devilbat]

Do you think we will get Lili's backstory next or Gunko's?

I hope for Lili and her tool/letter. It's probably a weapon that will allow to counter Imu so that we can conclude that fight.
But from narrative sense it could be still tying ends with other plots before going there.

 

[Hiragaro]

But the lightning attack is??

It's obviously a laser beam, the way it's drawn aswell as the explosion itself, is typical for Laser explosions. I know it was called lightning something, but the drawing says something else.

 

[kekaro]

It's obviously a laser beam, the way it's drawn aswell as the explosion itself, is typical for Laser explosions. I know it was called lightning something, but the drawing says something else.

i mean that doesnt matter, it would both FTL mass acceleration in both cases of an enemy

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Now we can all finally move away from senseless wars and join forces in Wings agenda.

Wings Together Strong

No joke I actually hope this leads to the Zoro and Sanji agenda bullshit dying down

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Aokiji already showed the CoC lightning, as far as I’m concerned, it is 100% confirmed that he has CoC and has been since Egghead.

And if Aokiji has it, all Admirals have it.

I think Sakazuki and Kuzan are 100% locks. The fact that we're arguing about whether or not Kuzan has it really says a lot about how shit Oda is at differentiating between CoA and CoC visually at times. Should have made it much more clear visually. Akainu has already prove he's willing to get up in the Gorosei's face about shit, and Kuzan is clearly willing to do his own thing. They're both Conquerors.

I also think Fuji has it due to his sense of self.

Kizaru and Aramaki I'm on the fence with, because Kizaru's "Corporate Slave" comment is just THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Supreme King mentality, and Aramaki likewise is IMO too subservient to the CDs and LOL Akainu for him to have it.

I think all of them will get it, though, especially if Sengoku has it. Which interests me a lot: we know Garp and Sengoku have CoC, but only one of them has used it.

From @Zoinks52

I actually lowkey have a crackpot -emphasis on crackpot - theory that they might be ordered not to use CoC by their higher ups.

Basically a personality suppressant to make them be less rebellious to the WG....not a very solid theory, more of a shower thought as of now.

I've been thinking about this a lot.

I could 1000% seeing the CDs nerfing the Admirals because they fear them developing their CoC enough to be able to rebel against the God's Knights/Gorosei.

Imagine we find out Kizaru was dealing with MENTAL AND PHYSICAL NERFS in Egghead and was keeping up with Gear 5, could be honestly huge for the Admiral agenda.

 

[OPKnK]

I think Sakazuki and Kuzan are 100% locks. The fact that we're arguing about whether or not Kuzan has it really says a lot about how shit Oda is at differentiating between CoA and CoC visually at times.

I don't think issues is Oda being shit at differentiating between CoA and CoC visually at times when it comes us knowing if someone has CoC or ACoC.
If Oda wanted us to know he would 100% do it in a way where we would know even if by have someone say some thing in text .
From garp first move we could tell he had it , then this arc Rocks , Loki , Gaban , Imu all easy to see they had it .
I think truth is he just don't want people to know if those characters have it or not yet .
There so many visual and non visual ways he can tell us and he just don't.

 

[y0000]

No need gunko to die if she want to be free. They can cut her hand and strawhats they can protect her. Is obvious imu can kill all of them right now. Because is very strong. Possible somehow he will be forced to got back to marygeoise and strawhats will be safe. Possible the 2x lossers holly knights will be die.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

because Kizaru's "Corporate Slave" comment is just THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Supreme King mentality

Meh, guys like Rayleigh and Katakuri don’t have “King’s mentalities”, a King’s mentality can take many forms and doesn’t have much to do with how free you want to be.

Aramaki likewise is IMO too subservient to the CDs and LOL Akainu for him to have it.

Does he actually serve them though? Or does he just believe they are gods? Because their is a huge difference.

Ryokugyu doesn’t even follow Akainu’s orders, I have trouble believing he follows any CD orders lol.

Believing the CD’s are gods is something that 99% of the OP world believes anyway since guys like the Gorosei are seemingly immortal, even the strong fall victim to propaganda.

 

[Captain Luffy]

I don't get this shield lore...sanji has always been an attacking type of fighter.

 

[Fukki]

For once, a powerup that make sense, it neetly ties to character development that match perfectly with the character personality and backstory.

 

[Raiden7]

I don't get this shield lore...sanji has always been an attacking type of fighter.

The thing is that he is often the one that save the crew or help them in clutch moments. That's what represent being the "shield" not only for Luffy but for the crew itself.

Sanji is overall one of the most complete fighter. There are different people (not only here) that consider only Sanji speed but in reality he is really a super competent fighter with great stats in literally everything. He has power, he has strength, he has defence, he has endurance, he has speed, he is intelligent. I could continue for a while.