Powers & Abilities The coating aspect of "ACoC" is completely trivial. It got overrated because of Luffy.
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No way @sanjikun arguing that ACoC didnt exist until Luffy used it lmfao
It already existed via skysplit. Just like CoA emission existed before he learned it. Shanks' CoC pressure crumbled WB ship. ACoC was a thing since timeskip
Powercreep simply got established and now Oda giving it to those he wants to make stronger. Its not rocket science
It already existed via skysplit. Just like CoA emission existed before he learned it. Shanks' CoC pressure crumbled WB ship. ACoC was a thing since timeskip
Powercreep simply got established and now Oda giving it to those he wants to make stronger. Its not rocket science
Not sure if you've read anything I've said. I argued:
(1) Oda had not fully fleshed out the concept of CoC/ACoC up until Roger/Whitebeard flashback (big surprise). This is similar to CoA/hardening. Therefore, we see 0 visual or verbal indication of it anywhere before then.
(2) The "hard" part is not the coating aspect of it. Basic coating is trivial. It is indeed unlocking CoC to begin with. It's only because Oda did shit backwards with Luffy, that it is presented as so.
That is why Luffy/Sanji/Zoro did absolutely 0 training to coat CoC. In fact, we've never seen anyone ever TRAIN to "coat" CoC.
(1) Oda had not fully fleshed out the concept of CoC/ACoC up until Roger/Whitebeard flashback (big surprise). This is similar to CoA/hardening. Therefore, we see 0 visual or verbal indication of it anywhere before then.
(2) The "hard" part is not the coating aspect of it. Basic coating is trivial. It is indeed unlocking CoC to begin with. It's only because Oda did shit backwards with Luffy, that it is presented as so.
That is why Luffy/Sanji/Zoro did absolutely 0 training to coat CoC. In fact, we've never seen anyone ever TRAIN to "coat" CoC.
I had an LLM explain this. He said only "a handful of strong people" have it. And what exactly are CoC users?
MF was shitting their pants when Luffy showed a basic blast of CoC:
And this is not a retcon. We knew even Boa had this power back then.
MF was shitting their pants when Luffy showed a basic blast of CoC:
And this is not a retcon. We knew even Boa had this power back then.
Meanwhile, Chinjao said there are countless/many conquerors across the sea. So no Kaido was not talking about fucking regular CoC
Why is it so hard for you to believe Zoro and Sanji are as talented in CoC manipulation as Luffy? And dont come at me with the SBS haki specialty bs cuz Luffy has FS which Sanji doesnt have, the highest tier of CoO. So thats already contradicted
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What the fuck is "regular" CoC? There is nothing "regular" about CoC. It's an ability that is owned by 1 in millions. That is why MF was terrified by Luffy using a simple blast.
My whole issue is you're making up fake categories like "regular" and "advanced" based on mistranslations and headcanons, when these things do not exist in the manga.
Chinjao's point was that you have to be a King of Kings, not just a King. It wasn't about fucking "base" CoC and "advanced" CoC.
There has literally been 0 panels of anyone training "ACoC". It was insta-unlocked every single time. Where is the "talent" here?
Anyone who has had CoC and realized CoC infusion was a thing, immediately did it.
My whole issue is you're making up fake categories like "regular" and "advanced" based on mistranslations and headcanons, when these things do not exist in the manga.
Chinjao's point was that you have to be a King of Kings, not just a King. It wasn't about fucking "base" CoC and "advanced" CoC.
There has literally been 0 panels of anyone training "ACoC". It was insta-unlocked every single time. Where is the "talent" here?
Anyone who has had CoC and realized CoC infusion was a thing, immediately did it.
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What the fuck is "regular" CoC? There is nothing "regular" about CoC. It's an ability that is owned by 1 in millions. That is why MF was terrified by Luffy using a simple blast.
My whole issue is you're making up fake categories like "regular" and "advanced" based on mistranslations and headcanons, when these things do not exist in the manga.
Chinjao's point was that you have to be a King of Kings, not just a King. It wasn't about fucking "base" CoC and "advanced" CoC.
There has literally been 0 panels of anyone training "ACoC". It was insta-unlocked every single time. Where is the "talent" here?
Anyone who has had CoC and realized CoC infusion was a thing, immediately did it.
My whole issue is you're making up fake categories like "regular" and "advanced" based on mistranslations and headcanons, when these things do not exist in the manga.
Chinjao's point was that you have to be a King of Kings, not just a King. It wasn't about fucking "base" CoC and "advanced" CoC.
There has literally been 0 panels of anyone training "ACoC". It was insta-unlocked every single time. Where is the "talent" here?
Anyone who has had CoC and realized CoC infusion was a thing, immediately did it.
I see people still trying to make it sound like "ACoC" is some next level evolution of "base CoC" but this is nonsense. Luffy, Sanji, Zoro all instantly used ACoC. There was 0 training. When it's shown time and time again that having "base CoC" is the main requirement, especially in the case of Zoro and Sanji, it just shows that people only see it this way because of Luffy's weird Haki progression.
Luffy did the hard part first: unlock CoC, but he still had basic hardening CoA. He couldn't do the coating technique. But the coating technique is fairly trivial. Kinemon can do it. Kiku can do it. So can Hyogoro and Marigold.
Luffy called it "advanced" because he was thinking of Rayleigh's ACoA. This is where the confusions stems from. You don't need ACoA to do coating. Hyogoro explained that ACoA is just a more powerful evolution of coating. Yamato showed this.
Conclusion: Luffy just had a weird path where he had fully unlocked CoC, and then he learned coating. But this is very abnormal within One Piece. as even relative minnows can do coating.
This was obviously because Oda hadn't fleshed out "ACoC" up until the end of Wano. Even Kaido and Big Mom did not show it up at the start of Wano.
0 visual evidence of "ACoC" here. And the worst part is the VIZ translation where Kaido made it seem like only Top Tiers can use it, just made some people double down. In reality all Kaido said is "only a handful of strong people can do it" not "only the very strongest can do it".
Luffy did the hard part first: unlock CoC, but he still had basic hardening CoA. He couldn't do the coating technique. But the coating technique is fairly trivial. Kinemon can do it. Kiku can do it. So can Hyogoro and Marigold.
Luffy called it "advanced" because he was thinking of Rayleigh's ACoA. This is where the confusions stems from. You don't need ACoA to do coating. Hyogoro explained that ACoA is just a more powerful evolution of coating. Yamato showed this.
Conclusion: Luffy just had a weird path where he had fully unlocked CoC, and then he learned coating. But this is very abnormal within One Piece. as even relative minnows can do coating.
This was obviously because Oda hadn't fleshed out "ACoC" up until the end of Wano. Even Kaido and Big Mom did not show it up at the start of Wano.
0 visual evidence of "ACoC" here. And the worst part is the VIZ translation where Kaido made it seem like only Top Tiers can use it, just made some people double down. In reality all Kaido said is "only a handful of strong people can do it" not "only the very strongest can do it".
Zoro and Sanji having it quickly is because they were meant to have it but Oda waited too much time now he rushes it
Only a handful of the strong people who can use '' the highest tier '' of Advanced Conqueror..
Luffy couldn't sky split even if he was coating himself in Conqueror, he was missing something..
Zoro didn't use Advance Conqueror till his fight against Sommers.. He reached an Advanced level of
CoC Coating now, but he still can't Sky split.. Any Zoro fans waiting for Zoro to sky split any time soon is going to
wait a while, Zoro doesn't have the CoC of the Heart Awakened yet..
There are different applications of Advanced Conqueror..
If Sanji did Awaken his CoC, it's unlikely that he can Coat it.. It just unlock his full CoO Coating pool..
The power of love, which is what Sanji got, is not AdCoC, it's a different Advanced CoO than Future Sight..
CoO Coating or Infusion..
Luffy couldn't sky split even if he was coating himself in Conqueror, he was missing something..
Zoro didn't use Advance Conqueror till his fight against Sommers.. He reached an Advanced level of
CoC Coating now, but he still can't Sky split.. Any Zoro fans waiting for Zoro to sky split any time soon is going to
wait a while, Zoro doesn't have the CoC of the Heart Awakened yet..
There are different applications of Advanced Conqueror..
If Sanji did Awaken his CoC, it's unlikely that he can Coat it.. It just unlock his full CoO Coating pool..
The power of love, which is what Sanji got, is not AdCoC, it's a different Advanced CoO than Future Sight..
CoO Coating or Infusion..
What the fuck is "regular" CoC? There is nothing "regular" about CoC. It's an ability that is owned by 1 in millions. That is why MF was terrified by Luffy using a simple blast.
My whole issue is you're making up fake categories like "regular" and "advanced" based on mistranslations and headcanons, when these things do not exist in the manga.
Chinjao's point was that you have to be a King of Kings, not just a King. It wasn't about fucking "base" CoC and "advanced" CoC.
There has literally been 0 panels of anyone training "ACoC". It was insta-unlocked every single time. Where is the "talent" here?
Anyone who has had CoC and realized CoC infusion was a thing, immediately did it.
My whole issue is you're making up fake categories like "regular" and "advanced" based on mistranslations and headcanons, when these things do not exist in the manga.
Chinjao's point was that you have to be a King of Kings, not just a King. It wasn't about fucking "base" CoC and "advanced" CoC.
There has literally been 0 panels of anyone training "ACoC". It was insta-unlocked every single time. Where is the "talent" here?
Anyone who has had CoC and realized CoC infusion was a thing, immediately did it.
Kaido told us infusing it is the special thing
M3 learning it quickly cuz... wait for it... they are the main characters? No how could this be why the sPeCiAl TrEaTmEnT?!
The talent is the fact they are the ones Oda cares the most about for powercreep. Even if he doesnt try hard for Zoro. Hes still a deuteragonist and Oda will hand him powerups like cookies
Boa will never show ACoC. Neither will Midd. They are unimportant and useless. Doffy and Kata might cuz they were arc villains and Oda likes to throw a bone if they ever come back
Also youre completely wrong on infusion being trivial. Yamato didnt have it when she fought Ace and learned it much later on. Kaido told her she had CoC at an early age. So stop try trivializing infusion, youre contradicting Kaido's words anyways
Did we even see her attack? We just saw BB's hand on her neck, weakening her.
I'm more thinking of Don Chinjao as the most obvious example. There is no way Prime Garp was training to fight this guy, and struggling if Chinjao didn't have ACoC
But against Luffy we didn't see it at all.
I'm more thinking of Don Chinjao as the most obvious example. There is no way Prime Garp was training to fight this guy, and struggling if Chinjao didn't have ACoC
But against Luffy we didn't see it at all.