General & Others Are monster trio destined to be equal?

[DonWick]

Threads like this make it hard to enjoy Sanji & Zoro. They clearly aren’t even close to Luffy.

Think about it this way. Luffy has better haki in every category than both of them. Better physical stats than both of them. So he already is superior in their strengths. Then you have to add a reality warping devil fruit that buffs his already inherently strong stats.

Luffy beats them both at the same time.

 

[Juanpiz]

Of course


not

 

[DonWick]

Of course


not

You had be because the “not” was covered on my screen lol.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Threads like this make it hard to enjoy Sanji & Zoro. They clearly aren’t even close to Luffy.

Think about it this way. Luffy has better haki in every category than both of them. Better physical stats than both of them. So he already is superior in their strengths. Then you have to add a reality warping devil fruit that buffs his already inherently strong stats.

Luffy beats them both at the same time.

This is Manga, not Rumbles. If you're concerned with nothing outside of Vs/Death Battles, you likely already realize that any perceivable differences will never actually matter but even in a vacuum, Luffy doesn't "easily" beat anyone worth a shit.

At some point that argument just means separating his personality from his physical stats, but his personality is the whole reason things play out as they do.

 

[Doggo]

What makes people a bit confused about Luffy's power compared to his Wings, is the difference between their opponents' strength.
They look at the surface "doukiri number", but dont take into consideration how hard it is for each of them to beat their respective enemies.
Take into consideration Kaido/King/Queen:
Kaido is significantly stronger than them. Could both of them beat Kaido if they worked together? Honestly, I dont see it.
But let's check at how their fights progressed.

Sanji vs Queen: Honestly quite a back and forth fight, but once Sanji used IJ, shit was over in an instant. He was out for a little while, but was back right as Luffy got his gear 5th still. Not much of consequences for him.

Zoro vs King: Post-Rooftop/Mink Medicine. Zoro actually struggled against King's hack durability. BUt once he got ACoC, the fight went severely on his favor. He was out later due to the mink medicine consequence of maximizing his wounds and fatigue. I would argue that blocking Hakai was the most damage he took during the entire war, not his wounds against King.

Luffy vs Kaido: Now here we have something really special. Luffy got ACoC. Lost. Luffy almost died. He was thrown into the sea uncounscious and had to be saved and fed by Law's crew. He has this "i can recover myself by eating a lot" gimmick, so he can try multiple times. Kaido can't. Kaido's been on a gauntlet of challengers. Scabbards, Supernovas, Luffy gear4th, Yamato, then RECOVERED Luffy gear5th. Required TWO major PUs in both Haki AND Devil Fruit department, multiple rounds, multiple people helping to grind Kaido out for him to barely do it and go out cold after the fight, requiring a lot of time to recover.

Zoro and Sanji aren't 2200 and 2180. They are actually much closer to 3000 at least. Their enemies give them trouble right until they get their single PU and dominate them.

Luffy isn't gonna end "far and wide" above them.
It's just that he will deal with the much stronger enemies, due to how Oda likes to build his narrative. Luffy is "the hero". Therefore, his fights are the ones that "count".

EoS Luffy should be a little above Zoro and Sanji, following what would be the Roger/Ray/Gaban dynamic that was shoved down our throats this arc.
Think of a 70/30 scenario against any of them.
Zoro and Sanji will be close enough for any "difference" in their power to be basically irrelevant. 51/49 scenario, tops.

And remember. I'm the most unbiased user in this forum.
My word is the correct one.
Everything I've said, has been correct this arc.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

Not only does he have better Haki than both of these guys, Luffy is literally One Piece jesus

Oda gave Luffy two new DF transformations in the timeskip, all he gave Zoro and Sanji was Armament and Observation

Luffy got Haki power ups since WCI, meanwhile Zoro and Sanji's first power ups of the post timeskip were in fucking Wano

Oda DELAYED Zoro's Conqueror's Coating for 2 FUCKING ARCS, 5 FUCKING YEARS SINCE HE AWAKENED IT ON THE ROOFTOP meanwhile Luffy masters it in the same arc he encounters it

Luffy's Devil Fruit was revealed to be the most powerful Devil Fruit in history, meanwhile Zoro and Sanji are fruitless

Oda has spent all of post timeskip eating Luffy's ass, he has left the wings to starve. He gave Luffy's sloppy seconds Lucci to Zoro to have a stall game. Honestly Oda should've been giving them powerups to keep up since Dressrosa, but he doesn't give a fuck

If Oda doesn't give them feats against Black Luffy or Imu, I have no faith in him going forward. He might as well make Zoro vs Mihawk an SBS

 

[Juanpiz]

Not only does he have better Haki than both of these guys, Luffy is literally One Piece jesus

Oda gave Luffy two new DF transformations in the timeskip, all he gave Zoro and Sanji was Armament and Observation

Luffy got Haki power ups since WCI, meanwhile Zoro and Sanji's first power ups of the post timeskip were in fucking Wano

Oda DELAYED Zoro's Conqueror's Coating for 2 FUCKING ARCS, 5 FUCKING YEARS SINCE HE AWAKENED IT ON THE ROOFTOP meanwhile Luffy masters it in the same arc he encounters it

Luffy's Devil Fruit was revealed to be the most powerful Devil Fruit in history, meanwhile Zoro and Sanji are fruitless

Oda has spent all of post timeskip eating Luffy's ass, he has left the wings to starve. He gave Luffy's sloppy seconds Lucci to Zoro to have a stall game. Honestly Oda should've been giving them powerups to keep up since Dressrosa, but he doesn't give a fuck

If Oda doesn't give them feats against Black Luffy or Imu, I have no faith in him going forward. He might as well make Zoro vs Mihawk an SBS

If Wings Are Starving then Ussop etc. Are six Feet under

 

[Oliver]

Only pre TS you could make an argument Zoro and Luffy were roughly equal and even then it was a bit weak. After gear 4 he went into a league of his own.

Gear 5 Luffy will beat Zoro and Lanji at the same time.

Zoro will end the series with a higher bounty and better feats than Lanji (like he does every single arc) so that will never happen either. Oda literally gives you a 123 scheme in roger pirates with gold/silver/copper, I don't know why you think they are on the same tier.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

If Wings Are Starving then Ussop etc. Are six Feet under

Don't get me started on the rest of the crew

 

[Wh1p]

No way luffy can defeat either zoro or sanji without going ext diff
Gaban n ray are on same tier as roger

Zoro and Sanji will never be on Luffy's tier, and they never were on Luffy's tier.

Similarly, Rayleigh and Gaban are NOT on Roger's tier either. The God Valley flashback should've made this clear.

 

[Fn Lucci]

The one thing I can give Luffy in power is that the only one in his development conversation is Coby. MF Luffy vs GV Dragon, Thriller Bark Zoro vs Elbaf Luffy... no contest at all

 

[Raiden7]

Honestly Luffy will be always a tier over those two. But they are capable enough to give him a real fight

 

[Master OF Haki]

No way luffy can defeat either zoro or sanji without going ext diff
Gaban n ray are on same tier as roger

It depends on what you define as "TIER," unfortunately the community hasn't even invented a term above top tier, since top tier is by default considered the limit, but the distance form one top tier to another can be quiet big–as demonstrated by recent chapters. Roger was still stronger then Rayleigh and Gaban, the strangest people of that ear were Roger, Whitebeard, Rocks and Garp, the rest were below them. At least that's what the nerative sets it up.

 

[uyuu]

Yeah. Monster Trio Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei are destined to be equal. The Wings are slightly ahead of Jimbei tho, with Conqueror Haki and all.

 

[Raiden7]

One thing is certain. The sword and shield parallel means they will wreck shit together. It will be glorious.

 

[HeroesNZ]

Equal is ludicrous.

Luffy has more advanced haki across all three colours and in addition, has a god tier fruit.

Luffy could never end up equal to neither Zoro nor Sanji. If y'all haven't realised by now that this is Luffy piece then idk what to tell you.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Equal is ludicrous.

Luffy has more advanced haki across all three colours and in addition, has a god tier fruit.

Luffy could never end up equal to neither Zoro nor Sanji. If y'all haven't realised by now that this is Luffy piece then idk what to tell you.

Luffy's definitely more advanced in Haki application, but that doesn't really matter in putting him ahead. By the time Luffy gets to the highest tier of Haoshoku, they'll be at the most functional levels for the purposes they serve. Zoro and Sanji will likely never hear the voice of all things, for example, but there's no reason why they would.

 

[DonWick]

This is Manga, not Rumbles. If you're concerned with nothing outside of Vs/Death Battles, you likely already realize that any perceivable differences will never actually matter but even in a vacuum, Luffy doesn't "easily" beat anyone worth a shit.

At some point that argument just means separating his personality from his physical stats, but his personality is the whole reason things play out as they do.

Yeah I don’t care about personality in a vs. I’m purely looking at who is stronger. Superman is stronger than Batman but Batman usually wins because of personality, Superman is still the strongest and at any point if he decided not to hold back he’d kill Bruce before Bruce could register a thought. That is literally all that matters to me. All characters in the battle at their best fighting to kill, no gimmicks, personality issues or anything, who is actually stronger.

If I cared about personality I’d say Perona beats Sanji, but she doesn’t he’s stronger and would destroy her.

With that in mind Luffy destroys them both.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yeah I don’t care about personality in a vs. I’m purely looking at who is stronger. Superman is stronger than Batman but Batman usually wins because of personality, Superman is still the strongest and at any point if he decided not to hold back he’d kill Bruce before Bruce could register a thought. That is literally all that matters to me. All characters in the battle at their best fighting to kill, no gimmicks, personality issues or anything, who is actually stronger.

If I cared about personality I’d say Perona beats Sanji, but she doesn’t he’s stronger and would destroy her.

With that in mind Luffy destroys them both.

For what it's worth, those Superman Batman fights aren't really canon.

The thing is that you'd, by your logic, say that Luffy destroys Apoo before Oda actually gave us that exchange and showed this to not be the case. He "could" but won't or didn't, so what's the point of "could"?

All three fail the Monet test: Luffy had the sheer power to win but wasn't smart enough (and LOST), Sanji takes it in the ass no matter what because she's a woman, and Zoro had her on the verge of defeat without even making effort but not the interest in follow through. So the winner across all three is Tashigi, lol

 

[DonWick]

For what it's worth, those Superman Batman fights aren't really canon.

The thing is that you'd, by your logic, say that Luffy destroys Apoo before Oda actually gave us that exchange and showed this to not be the case. He "could" but won't or didn't, so what's the point of "could"?

All three fail the Monet test: Luffy had the sheer power to win but wasn't smart enough (and LOST), Sanji takes it in the ass no matter what because she's a woman, and Zoro had her on the verge of defeat without even making effort but not the interest in follow through. So the winner across all three is Tashigi, lol

You’re right lol I’d have said it before, during, and after. Because Luffy would destroy him. I couldn’t care any less than I do about the plot or anything else because Ofa will do whatever he needs to with his characters to move the story in the direction that he wants it to go.

There is no way that you think if you put Luffy and Apoo on an island and they both wanted to kill eachother Luffy wouldn’t be the one that made it off the island.

I guess in so many words I remove all of Oda’s nonsense from my fights and look purely at what characters can do.