Controversial General Political Discussion

Logiko

Logiko

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Midnight Delight said:
Funniest thing is that I read more books by Marx and Hegel than most so called Marxists
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If there is one thing that One Piece and this thread proved, is that one can read an entire library without ever understanding the point of a single of its book.

This is precisely the reason why I always avoided reading. I know that a point of view, a vision of the world can change our perception of a work and therefore completely strip the understanding away. And I know that a vision of the world can change since I have now different impressions of different readings, that I had in the past.

Reading Marx as a reactionnary is like trying to understand how to build a furniture with an instruction manual that you have, a furniture that you don't and the wrong house to put everything in. You can read the instruction, but you will never know what it is like to build and enjoy said furniture.

If one could convince the planet with a book, we would already live in paradise
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Mathias said:
The bourgeoisie is really struggling to find his candidate. It's over for the "center" :zosleepy:

They have all crashed so badly in the polls that they're thinking about one single candidate from "moderate left" to radical-right to carry on decades of neoliberal politics :milaugh:
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It's so over for them, I'm glad, time is for radicalisation now. Potential danger, but also potential hopes!


:carrocorn:
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Midnight Delight said:
>He admits it
Have a totally wonderful day
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I've been telling for years that I can't concentrate on book lmao, nothin new. It's just that on top of that, I refuse to read something that I know I won't understand. So before reading a book, I want to personnally understand the minimum of the contextualities, ethics and materialities behind the writing. For the Capital for ex, which I think I will read in a year or two, will be the understanding of the necessity for the end of capitalism and everything that comes with it. You can't understand the point of marxism if you believe that capitalism is not a problem.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Midnight Delight said:
>You actually didn't understand Marxism if you disagreed with Al Nabi Marx (pbuh)

You are behaving EXACTLY like religious people right now
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Lmao. Say what you want mate.

My point is this :

Perspective is everything. It is shaped by experience, material conditions, biases and beliefs. A doctor can understand what Cancer is, they will less likely understand what it feels like to have it or how the fear feels on a personnal level when you can't remove it. Perspectives create distance, a veil in front of knowledge. Something that can only be removed under certain circoumstances. Just like expectations and parasocial behavior with characters in One Piece.

In the case of historical materialism, this perspective comes from the understanding of capitalism, something experienced after years of politisation, of observations, of rethinking. One who believes in meritocracy could read Marx and Bourdieu in circle back and forth, they would never understand the urgency of their warnings and the weight of their message for the working class or those who have less, unless they start to experiment it for themselves without the restrains of their own interests.

This is why reading books when you believe the opposite of their content is as efficient as boiling an egg on a PC tower. You could try, but it won't get you very far. This is what this thread taught me. Explaining things to reactionnaries is useless, you won't understand my perspective, you are not me. I can understand you because I actually was very similmar to you, but I can't reproduce a decade of politicization with words. It's not possible.

Try to remove the veil first, maybe then we will have something in common to discuss about.
 
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