Future Events Will Blackbeard Invade Elbaph after Imu's Invasion Fails?

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

-Blackbeard traditionally attacks powerful places/islands after they've been weakened. Impel Down, Marineford, Whole Cake Island, Amazon Lily. Teach strikes when the walls are weak. This is probably the weakest Elbaph has been since Harald saved them from starvation.

-Blackbeard wants Loki's Fruit/the Galleila. Rocks wanted Harald to eat the Nidhoggr because only a super-Giant could make full use of it, and I believe he wanted the Galliela Shipwrights for their connection to Pluton. Caribou has told Teach where Pluton and Poseidon are located, but, Teach needs the Galleila, still. It is clear that Blackbeard is operating under Rocks' designs, hence naming his ship the Saber of Xebec.

-If Blackbeard wants to recruit Loki, it's likely Teach believes Loki hates Elbaph after his imprisonment, and thinks he could turn Loki against Elbaph. He's 100% wrong, but, it's easy to see why Teach would assume Loki is pissed at Elbaph, when he's the one doing the most to protect the country.

-Hachinosu is not far the Elbaph. Teach easily moved from Hachinosu to Winner Island, which, like Elbaph, is located near Wano.

-Hachinosu, despite its reputation, is a horrible territory defensively. An old top tier wrecked shop when Blackbeard was gone in Garp, and even if Blackbeard blames Pizarro for this, Teach is smart enough to know that, with the Navy's new Seastone coated ships and technology from Vegapunk allowing the Marines to cross the Calm Belt into the Grand Lin easily, Hachinosu is no longer the fortress it once was. Teach needs new territory. The biggest targets? Elbaph and Wano.

-Blackbeard likes to get to objectives before the WG does. We see this with Boa's Fruit. If Blackbeard learns the WG is trying to take over Elbaph, knowing its significance from his father, Rocks, Teach is 100% going to direct resources to keep this from happening. Blackbeard sailed INTO PARADISE from Hachinosu just for Boa's Fruit. At least Kuzan and some others are going to go to Elbaph, IMO.

-(This is speculation) I believe Teach's Yami Awakening will give him access to the Abyss, and allow him to travel like Imu.

-While Rocks loved Harald and the Giants, Teach is not Rocks. I believe Blackbeard despises Harald and the Giants for abandoning Rocks, and for Harald then sucking up to the WG. We've already see how Teach feels regarding Celestial Dragons playing Pirate, and people sucking up to the Celestial Dragons via Shanks' face. Do I think Blackbeard likes Elbaph? No, I believe Teach despises Harald and Elbaph for Harald turning his back on Xebec, and Elbaph wanting to join up with the Celestial Dragons. To Blackbeard, this is an unforgivable sin, and he wants Elbaph to pay for it.

-Imu has stated he desires Elbaph's Ancient Technology. Considering Teach's Ancient Weapon focus with Caribou, and it's easy to imagine Blackbeard also craves this Ancient Tech, and, his Gura Fruit can be very useful for excavation.


Honestly? At this point, all the narrative evidence I see points to Blackbeard arriving soon to try to take over Elbaph, while recruiting Loki. I def has Kuzan showing up because of Saul/Robin, but, fuck it.

It's ZEHAHAHAHAHA time.

 

[DonWick]

Does he know they’re even fighting there?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Does he know they’re even fighting there?

Not sure.

But Teach is smart enough to know the Straw Hats went to Elbaph, and that's enough of a reason for him to come to the island. Blackbeard knows Luffy is a serial recruiter, and having another Yonkou cozy up to Elbaph is very bad for him. Shit, should have put this in the main post...

Blackbeard also wants Loki because Rocks wanted the Nidhoggr.

Morgans reported globally the Straw Hats left Egghead with the Giant Warrior Pirates. The amount of places you can sail in the Grand Line is limited by your Log Pose.

Blackbeard knows the Straw Hats are on Elbaph, and that's enough of a reason for him to go there. He was already ready to fight them before Egghead:

Blackbeard realizes it's a fight against the other Yonkou. He can't let Luffy gain the Giants as outright allies.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Blackbeard is going after Princess Shirahoshi imo. His ancestor was obsessed with her previous self and it fits with Caribou’s info

 

[ShinichiMugi]

Blackbeard is waiting for Imu in Marejois to complete the job of his father

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Blackbeard is going after Princess Shirahoshi imo. His ancestor was obsessed with her previous self and it fits with Caribou’s info

This is part of the reason I think Teach will unlock the Abyss. Hit multiple places at once, but, this time, with the whole crew moving around.

I've speculated for a while that the Calm Belt exists BECAUSE of the Sea Kings in it. IMO, the OG Poseidon told the Sea Kings to form current-less strips around the Grand Line, to make it hard for Imu to operate in the Grand Line.

Poseidon could give Teach the ability to control the actual ocean currents of the world, which is ridiculously busted.

Honestly, I think Teach has already gone after Fish-Man Island.

My general Blackbeard route has been something like this for a few months:
-Impel Down to get forces/Doffy. Teach destroys Impel Down.
-Use Impel Down forces to invade Fish-Man Island
-Use Hody's former army to invade Marijoa by climbing the Red Line (Fisher Tiger homage)
-Get York, Giant Straw Hat, and Xebec's Saber in the Flower Room
-Elbaph to try to get Loki/Giants
-Wano for Pluton

Pluton is definitely the last stop, lot of wiggle room to get there, though.

My question is: does Teach succeed in kidnapping Shirahoshi? It is possible she escapes.

So, if I'm correct, Teach should have already hit up Impel Down, Fish-Man Island, and Marijoa. Which would partially fit what we've been told.

I think Teach had forces in the Holy Land, but retreated. Now with Imu on Elbaph, though, Teach will finish the job in Marijoa, and, if he does have the Abyss, show up in Elbaph, soon.

So, there would need to be one Blackbeard Pirate in Elbaph to draw a Magic Circle for the Blackbeard Pirates.

 

[Goofball_Your_Nika]

Why would fatty care about Elbaph?

 

[kekaro]

Figarland family about to go 0-4 against the davys

 

[Cruxroux]

Blud be going against the crew and for the motion of the story.

This is Blackbeard will invade Wano all over again.
But rather, WG dismantled the Shichibukai and he went for their fruits. Mihawk and crocodile are out of his reach, weevil is useless to him, Moria is interesting but he was in hachinosu anyway, which leaves us with Boa and her fruit.

Similarly right now, Luffy and crew are fighting Imu, something is about to fall next chapter as well... Marines? WG itself? Yonkou system?

Marines isn't an option here, WG for Imu fruit or Yonkou system for Shanks vs Blackbeard.

In a weird case scenario, Garp is used as bargaining chip like Ace and marines are forced to take action after Vegapunk broadcast and Garp being the symbol of actual Hero and Justice for public view.

I still think it's revolutionary taking action in Holyland right now.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Blud be going against the crew and for the motion of the story.

This is Blackbeard will invade Wano all over again.
But rather, WG dismantled the Shichibukai and he went for their fruits. Mihawk and crocodile are out of his reach, weevil is useless to him, Moria is interesting but he was in hachinosu anyway, which leaves us with Boa and her fruit.

Similarly right now, Luffy and crew are fighting Imu, something is about to fall next chapter as well... Marines? WG itself? Yonkou system?

Marines isn't an option here, WG for Imu fruit or Yonkou system for Shanks vs Blackbeard.

In a weird case scenario, Garp is used as bargaining chip like Ace and marines are forced to take action after Vegapunk broadcast and Garp being the symbol of actual Hero and Justice for public view.

I still think it's revolutionary taking action in Holyland right now.

Blackbeard will still invade Wano, he's just being smart about it and building up the proper invasion force.

Boa's Fruit was targeted for an obvious reason: it's that powerful. Being able to petrify people without any known cure is terrifying work. Teach did NOT want to deal with the Marines/WG gaining access to it. I guess the CDs didn't mind giving it to Boa to screw with her, since Imu's powers could possibly undo the petrification.

You can argue the Yonkou system has already fallen.

I DO believe the Marine Civil War will start soon, after the Vegapunk debacle.

I think the WG is going to dishonorably discharge Garp for hiding Ace, to keep from having to deal with saving him. There's a SHIT TON of stuff the WG can discharge Garp for, dude has been breaking the rules for years.

There's a chance they also cut Koby out, since he was technically a Pirate to begin with.

I just don't see why the Revs would go back to the Holy Land.

IMO Teach is gonna sell Garp to Cross Guild and try to make some sort of business alliance with them. At least a "stay out of my way, I stay out of yours" deal.

I could see Fujitora airlifting the OG Marineford and using it to attack Marijoa to free the slaves, I think Fuji's gonna make some Marine base, probably the OG Marineford to keep it plot relevant, his sky fortress for the Marine Civil War.

 

[soupongo]

Blackbeard is going after Princess Shirahoshi imo. His ancestor was obsessed with her previous self and it fits with Caribou’s info

I actually agree with you, but aren't you confusing Teach's ancestor with the FMI pedophile guy? We don't actually know anything about Davy Jones, and as far as we know, Rocks never visited FMI

 

[Shiroyru]

Blackbeard is going after Princess Shirahoshi imo. His ancestor was obsessed with her previous self and it fits with Caribou’s info

Too old for BB

 

[kekaro]

Right after CG being relevant and breaking into ID this time for sure!

BB has no intresst in elbaf

 

[Album]

I think teach will try to recruit loki by bringing up his fathers name

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I actually agree with you, but aren't you confusing Teach's ancestor with the FMI pedophile guy? We don't actually know anything about Davy Jones, and as far as we know, Rocks never visited FMI

Wasn’t Van Decken’s ancestor Davy Jones?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I think teach will try to recruit loki by bringing up his fathers name

Yeah, I 100% see this happening.

I'm pushing Loki ending up with Buggy, tho. Something about it just speaks to me.

Wasn’t Van Decken’s ancestor Davy Jones?

Welp... nope. I fuck this up all the time because they have somewhat similar backstories.


Vander Decken supposedly went insane one night and murdered his own crew, defying even heaven itself, and incurring the wrath of God.[1] Though legends do have their inaccuracies, it was only clear that he was mad. He also had an interest in the Mermaid Princess of that era and her incredible ability to command the Sea Kings.

Davy D. Jones, more commonly known as Davy Jones, was a legendary pirate from centuries ago who was said to have been cursed by the devil to live on the sea floor.[1] Believed to have been driven by insatiable greed, the piracy game known as the Davy Back Fight was dedicated to him and his "locker" where his spoils reside.


The cursed by God/Devil part is the shit that always confuses me. Still possible they are the same guy, though, but nothing official, I don't think.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Not sure.

But Teach is smart enough to know the Straw Hats went to Elbaph, and that's enough of a reason for him to come to the island. Blackbeard knows Luffy is a serial recruiter, and having another Yonkou cozy up to Elbaph is very bad for him.

Blackbeard knows the Straw Hats are on Elbaph, and that's enough of a reason for him to go there. He was already ready to fight them before Egghead:

I agree. At some point the SHP will take a loss due to their reckless style of almost every arc going all out on different islands meaning they need recovery time post-arc. A guy like BB is ruthless, even more so than the WG or other Yonko, and might not allow them to rest up post-arc.

Loguetown - After almost getting killed by Buggy, surrounded by Marines, the SHP try to escape. Smoker about to finish Luffy off. Dragon saved him.

Alabasta - The marines reinforcements, and Smoker himself, could have put an end to their journey post-Crocodile when the whole crew was hospitalized for days. The Alabastans helped the crew but the Marines could have done more.

Enies Lobby - Impressive succesful escape from the Buster Call. Attempt by the Marines to take down the already spent SHP. Later if Luffy wasn't Garps grandson they would have been wrapped up.

Thriller Bark - If Luffy had not been Dragons son, and if it was any Shichibukai but Kuma, they would have been wrapped up post-Moria.

Shabaody - Kizaru, Sentoumaru, PX-0 would have annihilated the crew but for Rayleigh and Kumas intervention. SHP already tired from fighting Pacifista when new enemies showed up.

Dressrosa - With Luffy already spent post Doflamingo he could easily have been wrapped up by Fujitora anytime he wanted.

Wano - Aramaki was about to go after tired SHP post Kaido. Shanks scared him off.

Egghead - Lucci + Kaku > Kizaru + Saturn > Remaining Gorosei. Reinforcements just kept going but SHP did well despite being tired and having their hands full.

Elbaph - BB tries to take them down post dealing with Imu? Why not. It is a recurring theme in the series and BB is exactly that type of guy. Either he succeeds in kidnapping Robin for example or Shanks/Dragon is needed to scare him off.

 

[leytune]

I agree. At some point the SHP will take a loss due to their reckless style of almost every arc going all out on different islands meaning they need recovery time post-arc. A guy like BB is ruthless, even more so than the WG or other Yonko, and might not allow them to rest up post-arc.

Loguetown - After almost getting killed by Buggy, surrounded by Marines, the SHP try to escape. Smoker about to finish Luffy off. Dragon saved him.

Alabasta - The marines reinforcements, and Smoker himself, could have put an end to their journey post-Crocodile when the whole crew was hospitalized for days. The Alabastans helped the crew but the Marines could have done more.

Enies Lobby - Impressive succesful escape from the Buster Call. Attempt by the Marines to take down the already spent SHP. Later if Luffy wasn't Garps grandson they would have been wrapped up.

Thriller Bark - If Luffy had not been Dragons son, and if it was any Shichibukai but Kuma, they would have been wrapped up post-Moria.

Shabaody - Kizaru, Sentoumaru, PX-0 would have annihilated the crew but for Rayleigh and Kumas intervention. SHP already tired from fighting Pacifista when new enemies showed up.

Dressrosa - With Luffy already spent post Doflamingo he could easily have been wrapped up by Fujitora anytime he wanted.

Wano - Aramaki was about to go after tired SHP post Kaido. Shanks scared him off.

Egghead - Lucci + Kaku > Kizaru + Saturn > Remaining Gorosei. Reinforcements just kept going but SHP did well despite being tired and having their hands full.

Elbaph - BB tries to take them down post dealing with Imu? Why not. It is a recurring theme in the series and BB is exactly that type of guy. Either he succeeds in kidnapping Robin for example or Shanks/Dragon is needed to scare him off.

interesting, there is indeed a clear pattern, which begs the question: why would oda deviate from this pattern now?

 

[D. Plant]

I agree. At some point the SHP will take a loss due to their reckless style of almost every arc going all out on different islands meaning they need recovery time post-arc. A guy like BB is ruthless, even more so than the WG or other Yonko, and might not allow them to rest up post-arc.

Loguetown - After almost getting killed by Buggy, surrounded by Marines, the SHP try to escape. Smoker about to finish Luffy off. Dragon saved him.

Alabasta - The marines reinforcements, and Smoker himself, could have put an end to their journey post-Crocodile when the whole crew was hospitalized for days. The Alabastans helped the crew but the Marines could have done more.

Enies Lobby - Impressive succesful escape from the Buster Call. Attempt by the Marines to take down the already spent SHP. Later if Luffy wasn't Garps grandson they would have been wrapped up.

Thriller Bark - If Luffy had not been Dragons son, and if it was any Shichibukai but Kuma, they would have been wrapped up post-Moria.

Shabaody - Kizaru, Sentoumaru, PX-0 would have annihilated the crew but for Rayleigh and Kumas intervention. SHP already tired from fighting Pacifista when new enemies showed up.

Dressrosa - With Luffy already spent post Doflamingo he could easily have been wrapped up by Fujitora anytime he wanted.

Wano - Aramaki was about to go after tired SHP post Kaido. Shanks scared him off.

Egghead - Lucci + Kaku > Kizaru + Saturn > Remaining Gorosei. Reinforcements just kept going but SHP did well despite being tired and having their hands full.

Elbaph - BB tries to take them down post dealing with Imu? Why not. It is a recurring theme in the series and BB is exactly that type of guy. Either he succeeds in kidnapping Robin for example or Shanks/Dragon is needed to scare him off.

Luffy never got a W from marine/WG WHEN he becomes the target, and he always saved by others. But in Elbaph arc, Luffy is the target and also the savior, maybe things are going to be different which he will eventually overcome this hurdle.

I disagree with BB going to Elbaph because Oda already told us his priorities. He has Holyland, Marine, Revolutionaries, and 2 ancient weapons. There is no way he can accomplish all of these missions in short period of time.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I agree. At some point the SHP will take a loss due to their reckless style of almost every arc going all out on different islands meaning they need recovery time post-arc. A guy like BB is ruthless, even more so than the WG or other Yonko, and might not allow them to rest up post-arc.

Loguetown - After almost getting killed by Buggy, surrounded by Marines, the SHP try to escape. Smoker about to finish Luffy off. Dragon saved him.

Alabasta - The marines reinforcements, and Smoker himself, could have put an end to their journey post-Crocodile when the whole crew was hospitalized for days. The Alabastans helped the crew but the Marines could have done more.

Enies Lobby - Impressive succesful escape from the Buster Call. Attempt by the Marines to take down the already spent SHP. Later if Luffy wasn't Garps grandson they would have been wrapped up.

Thriller Bark - If Luffy had not been Dragons son, and if it was any Shichibukai but Kuma, they would have been wrapped up post-Moria.

Shabaody - Kizaru, Sentoumaru, PX-0 would have annihilated the crew but for Rayleigh and Kumas intervention. SHP already tired from fighting Pacifista when new enemies showed up.

Dressrosa - With Luffy already spent post Doflamingo he could easily have been wrapped up by Fujitora anytime he wanted.

Wano - Aramaki was about to go after tired SHP post Kaido. Shanks scared him off.

Egghead - Lucci + Kaku > Kizaru + Saturn > Remaining Gorosei. Reinforcements just kept going but SHP did well despite being tired and having their hands full.

Elbaph - BB tries to take them down post dealing with Imu? Why not. It is a recurring theme in the series and BB is exactly that type of guy. Either he succeeds in kidnapping Robin for example or Shanks/Dragon is needed to scare him off.

Awesome analysis, I hadn't realized this pattern was so consistent. Egghead is an oddity since it's one of the few islands they didn't rest on at all, it was just straight go the entire time. Even when they were "resting" it was a hostage situation with York.

Since Oda has been pushing Shanks vs Blackbeard a lot, and Shanks said he was going to meet Luffy when he became a great pirate, and Shanks was on Elbaph recently, Shanks showing up to fight Blackbeard would be very interesting. I've had Blackbeard fighting Imu, here, but Teach ducking Imu and then fighting Shanks would be just as fun.

Just kidnapping Robin would utterly ruin the Straw Hats ability to find Laugh Tale. There's a ton of reasons for Teach to target the Straw Hats.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Blackbeard had spies on Elbaph to report to him regarding the state of the country. I still think Apoo was a Teach plant in Wano, since Blackbeard is currently lacking a musician, and Apoo loves to do the betrayal boogie.

I've consistently placed Mosa as being Shiki trying to recruit Loki, but it's entirely possible Mosa is a Blackbeard plant in Elbaph.

interesting, there is indeed a clear pattern, which begs the question: why would oda deviate from this pattern now?

Same reason Ace died in Marineford. The breaking of the pattern is what makes it such a shocking twist.

We're used to the Straw Hats being able to rest after an arc. Blackbeard coming in right when they've though they won to take over Elbaph, and then ACTUALLY TAKING OVER the country would be unprecedented and truly paint Blackbeard as the threat Shanks views him as.

Luffy never got a W from marine/WG WHEN he becomes the target, and he always saved by others. But in Elbaph arc, Luffy is the target and also the savior, maybe things are going to be different which he will eventually overcome this hurdle.

I disagree with BB going to Elbaph because Oda already told us his priorities. He has Holyland, Marine, Revolutionaries, and 2 ancient weapons. There is no way he can accomplish all of these missions in short period of time.

Normally, it would be impossible for Blackbeard to achieve these goals so quickly, I agree.

However, we have yet to see Teach's Awakening. Rodo-san and Nami proved that the Summoning Circles the WG uses exist outside of them:

We already know Nerona Imu's Ability is Devil Fruit.

If the Magic Circles use the Abyss to travel, and Magic Circles exist outside of Imu, then, that means other people can use the Abyss.

I will continue to push the theory that Blackbeard's Yami Awakening lets him use the Abyss to travel, and this is how he will reach Davy Jones' Locker: it's in the worst ocean there is, the Abyss.

I think it's clear Blackbeard is trying to emulate Rocks to a good degree, so I think Elbaph is definitely a target for him.

I could also be mixing my order of operations up, here: since Blackbeard knows the Straw hats are going to Elbaph, this should be a top-tier priority for him, to keep Luffy from allying with Loki and the Giants.

It's possibly Teach gains the ability to use the Abyss FROM Elbaph, or Awakens here, and then uses that power to travel to Marijoa/Fish-Man Island/Wano.

Since Laffitte was the one making preparations outside of Marijoa, and is known as the "Demon Sheriff", and he can fly, I think Laffitte will be Blackbeard's Magic Circle drawing guy.

I'm fairly sure Teach will go after Impel Down, Fish-Man Island, Marijoa, and Elbaph. Wano is last because of Pluton, Teach needs a big force to invade Wano and then keep the Marines/WG out.

I'm also starting to consider the idea that Teach's Awakening will occur vs Imu. If that's the case, it could either happen here in Elbaph, if Teach shows up, or in Marijoa if Blackbeard went there and lucked out with Imu leaving, but then fights Imu when he returns.

Blackbeard Awakening vs Shanks interests me, but, if Teach is going to Awaken in combat, I think the three likely to trigger that would be Garling, Imu, and Shamrock, in that order.

While Imu is Imu, Garling is the one who found God Valley, sold out his own lover, and killed Xebec. Garling vs Teach has a LOT of bad blood behind it.

One last shower thought: Laffitte was preparing to invade Marijoa before Caribou told Teach about Poseidon, and Fish-Man Island is located right below Marijoa.

It is entirely possible the Blackbeard Pirates actually get into Sanjuan Wolf's mouth, dive off the Red Line, then sink Sanjuan all the way down to Fish-Man Island to invade it.

Maybe Teach can even use the Abyss without Awakening...