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Finalbeta
Finalbeta
Why just a level above Law though? :P
Cinera
Cinera
@Finalbeta Law needs to be a mid high tier to be relevant this arc. A level above him would place Zoro at high high tier. Two levels would be low top tier, and Zoro can't be that high yet. It took Luffy multiple very difficult fights (Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri), unlocking future sight, unlocking advanced COA, raising his stamina in the aforementioned fights, raising his base ability during Udon to get that far.
Cinera
Cinera
Zoro has yet to have a high difficulty solo fight and only had the Enma training to become stronger. Said training is not comparable to one (let alone two) of the advanced forms of haki and Luffy grew substantially in other stats as well. Current Luffy beats his DR self with *at most* medium difficulty. Current Zoro needs *at least* high difficulty for his DR self.

Luffy has simply grown much more than Zoro has.
Cinera
Cinera
Current Luffy is at least a level above current Zoro.
Zenos7
Zenos7
Giving law some benefit of the doubt, they might be somewhat equal. Though with zoro training his haki and law not training (supposedly), you might be right that zoro is now definitely above law, i guess. . .
Cinera
Cinera
@Zenos7 I'll explain the super short form of the argument below. The thread would just provide evidence for it and demonstrate it in no uncertain terms.
Cinera
Cinera
Premise 1: DR Santoryu Zoro was on the same level as DR Law.
Premise 2: Asura is a massive power up for Zoro.
Conclusion 1 and Premise 3: DR Zoro was significantly stronger than Law.
Premise 4: Due to the Enma training Zoro grew more than Law since DR.
Conclusion 2: Current Zoro is significantly stronger than Law.
Cinera
Cinera
I would also debunk several counterarguments to the above and demonstrate the above very convincingly, but that is the basic structure of the argument. If you disagree with the final conclusion have to disagree with one of the premises.
Cinera
Cinera
This means:
* Demonstrate that DR Law was at least a level above DR Santoryu Zoro.
* Demonstrate that Asura does not raise Zoro's combat abilities by at least a level.
* Demonstrate that Law grew more between DR and the Onigashima raid than Zoro.
Cinera
Cinera
All 3 of the above look like far fetched conclusions.

Current Santoryu Zoro should already be stronger than Law due to the Enma training. When you add in Asura, the gap becomes even larger. Even if you give Law the benefit of the doubt, you just can't get the conclusion that current Law is stronger than Enma Santoryu Zoro.
RayanOO
RayanOO
I have them comparable at the beginning of DR. They have similar feats. But in DR Law had a harder time than Zoro by a good margin, and Law had to give it all against Doffy. So I think Law grew more during DR than Zoro. At the end of DR Law => Zoro. But now comes Enma and Law had no special training, so Zoro haki had likely jump, and so now Zoro is > to Law. But I can imagine that Oda will give some kind of PU to Law
Cinera
Cinera
@RayanOO I did say that they were comparable. Law being slightly above Zoro is fine and still within my first premise. As long as they're on the same level, my conclusion still holds.
Cinera
Cinera
In DR Zoro still had Asura, so he should overall be significantly above Law yet. Asura is a massive power up. Before Asura Zoro was getting high diffed by Kaku, once be brought out Asura he casually destroyed his strongest attack and oneshot him. Essentially a low difficulty fight.
Cinera
Cinera
That said, post DR, something like this seems fine:
Asura Zoro > Law >= Santoryu Zoro. We can assume Law grew during his Doffy fight, so he may have been slightly above Santoryu Zoro.
Cinera
Cinera
Enma should have provided a bigger boost for Zoro than the Doffy fight did for Law.

So current Santoryu Zoro is already above Law.
Finalbeta
Finalbeta
I feel like Law needs advanced haki to be put close Current Zoro's level
silverfire
silverfire
Cinera
Cinera
@Fiji I guess I might start working on it in the coming weeks. I would try and put 30 minutes to an hour on some days. I'm half expecting that it would be unconvincing to those who don't already place Zoro above Law, but I'll make the effort.
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