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Cinera
Cinera
Right now, your counterarguments rely exclusively on you pulling numbers out of your arse.
If you intend to debunk the Pica calcs, I (and no serious powerscaler) would accept numbers you manufactured. You'd need a rigorous and reliable way of calculating the size of the golem, and Pixel scaling is the best we've got.
C
critical mindset
link me one here in the chatbox; forget the one about the 100+ I don’t want to see that one at all or know the person behind it
Cinera
Cinera
Laughing at their values for the size of the golem is not an argument.
Laughing at their values for the size of Dressrosa is not an argument.

Again, numerous scalings of Pica have been done and they put him anywhere from 1 - 2 km to a few km.
C
critical mindset
What exactly is my counterargument, Cinera?
Cinera
Cinera
You've already seen one calc that's accepted on Vsbattles. Your gripes with it are unconvincing. If I link you more calcs, I fully expect you to raise similar non arguments.

Anyway, I'm going to link one of the more conservative calcs accepted on OBD. I don't expect you to accept it.
Cinera
Cinera
That you make statements like this:
> I can say right off the bat that’s insane and incorrect.

Makes me think the calcs aren't going to convince you. Refusing to accept a conclusion because you dislike it isn't an argument.
Cinera
Cinera
The one calc you found yourself, you didn't raise good arguments against and simply laughed at the values they used.
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critical mindset
So because it’s accepted on Vsbattles does it mean it has been vetted and peer-reviewed o what are you trying to say, lol? What’s your fucking point even, What are you getting at, their moronic figures are fucking wrong, We all laughed at their numbers, so what is your long wall of texts about?
Cinera
Cinera
Cinera
Cinera
@critical mindset calcs accepted on OBD/Vs Battles have been reviewed and are looked at by other powerscalers. The community review process is a much more reliable process for correcting errors than "lol, nope".

Laughing at their numbers is not an argument is my point. I don't really care if you laugh at their numbers. It is not an argument.
Cinera
Cinera
Cinera
Cinera
Kinetic energy calculation gives 57 megatons.
Potential energy calculation gived 14.5 megatons.

These values were revised downwards as the community accepted a smaller radius for Dressrosa (8.8 km) because more convincing calculations were made for them.
Cinera
Cinera
Community powerscaling is far from 100% reliable, but it is a robudt and collaborative process. If a convincing case can be made against a calculation (if it indeed debunked), then the calculation would be rejected. If errors are spotten in the calculation, then it will be revised and improved.
Cinera
Cinera
Vs Battles revised down their size of Dressrosa to a radius of 8.5 km because a more credible calculation supported the smaller size.

I think these are my final thoughts on the topic.
Mr. Anderson
Mr. Anderson
I never really believed in the ISDS calc either, specifically for the same gripes critical mindset has lol, it just doesnt make sense
Cinera
Cinera
An addendum to this would be that calcs aren't that precise. Using them to get an orders of magnitude result is fine.

Pica's golem coming in at 2.7 km tall suggests a true size that's "a few kilometres tall".
The PE and KE calculations giving values of 14.5 and 57 megatons respectively suggest a true destructive capacity that's "in the low tens of megatons".
Cinera
Cinera
@Mr. Anderson: the gripes @critical mindset has are bad. Lifting several billion tons of rock several hundred metres requires megatons of force. Disbelief is not a counterargument. Restating your disbelief several times doesn't make it a counterargument.
Cinera
Cinera
@Mr. Anderson I recommend looking at the Dressrosa calcs and golem size calcs. They are what's required for the straightforward PE/KE calculations. If you find flaws or problems in the calculations, point them out; disbelief isn't a convincing counterargument.
Cinera
Cinera
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