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Jew D. Boy

The truth is that all lives do NOT matter in America, or at least not as much as white lives matter. That’s the whole point - black lives do not matter more than white lives, but there is still a clear discrepancy and it’s black lives which have been mistreated with a much higher frequency. Disagree if you want, but that doesn’t make anything less true.

Zenos7

i do agree that BLM does not necessarily mean black lives matter more, but "all" lives matter legit cannot exclude black lives, like, at all. Unless you dont know what "all" means. <3

Jew D. Boy

@Zenos7 If all lives truly matter, then those who believe that should realize that black lives matter less to the American structure than white lives and work towards that end. Doesn’t seem that hard to me, but that’s because I’ve thought about my beliefs for more than 30 seconds...

Zenos7

that would still not mean that all lives matter exclude black lives though.

Jew D. Boy

@Zenos7 The term itself doesn’t, that’s true, but the way it's being used by certain groups HEAVILY implies that they don’t believe any lives should matter more than they currently do, which would continue the disparity between white lives and the rest. I’m all for racial equality, but there’s a clear front runner and it’s been that way for most of American history.

Zenos7

that to me sounds like as much of a stretch as suggesting black lives matter implies black lives matter more than other lives

Jew D. Boy

@Zenos7 Well, would this be the first time neither side understood the other’s true meaning?? Until we can agree on what reality even is, we won’t agree on something intricate and complex like race relations. I’m saying we collectively, not you and I, just to clear any possible confusion.

Zenos7

well im not american and race relations in germany are inherently different i would say. Here with racists its not exactly about white vs black, but more about german vs non-german, even if alot of non-germans would be considered white by american standards (me for example)

Zenos7

funnily enough, i didnt even know i would be considered white until @LANJI CUCKSMOKE told me lol

Jew D. Boy

@Zenos7 The same logic applies, then. It’s really sad that we all let our personal prejudices get in the way of just being people...I don’t think all humans could ever get along with everyone, but we have too much hate and fear to even get close.

Zenos7

it also goes futher than race, with conflcting religious views, political views, maybe even arbitrary nonsense like music taste

Jew D. Boy

@Zenos7 Precisely, we’ll always find certain lines on which we’ll happily divide ourselves. I’m curious, what are the police like in Germany these days?

Zenos7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-_eJUosfBo beautiful song about this.

Dont exactly know what you mean, and i dont really have any experience with police. Though i guess they tend to not be racist because of the nazi guilt shit.

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Haoshoku

@Zenos7 That is not the intention behind the message though. While ALM on the surface level doesn’t exclude black lives it is mainly/intentionally used as a dismissive and insensitive response to the BLM movement that is trying raise awareness of the systemic oppression that Black Americans have faced for decades in America. All BLM is saying is “Black lives matter too” not the other way around

Zenos7

@Haoshoku meh, dont think i agree on that. There is nuanced differences for both slogans depending on who uses it.

Jew D. Boy

@Zenos7 You don’t have to agree on it, man...that’s how black people have characterized their message and movement; I’m not sure who’s more qualified to explain their goal than themselves. Trust me, whether any of us like it or not, ALM’s true aim is definitely not equality, whereas BLM’s is.

Zenos7

and i thinks thats overly generalizing. and also ALM is not a movement like BLM is. And there are probably BLM people who are racist towards non-blacks and ALM people who use it to undermine black lives.

Jew D. Boy

@Zenos7 I think you just...illustrated my point there at the end? Either way, I’ve never met a single ALM adherent that understands the irony of their slogan being wielded in response to and totally exclusionary of BLM, so the generalization in this case is pretty warranted.