Worstgen

Shiroyru

No? His Kekkei Genkai has some of the highest AP in the series

soupongo

I think Ay could theoretically blitz Onoiki, but particle dust could also legitmately take him out.

At the very least. Ay is the most balanced out of the 5 kage, I would put him higher on a tier list.

EmperorKinyagi

All I know is that Hiruzen could let monkey king Enma wipe out the other kage for him

soupongo

Yeah, Hiruzen is canonically the strongest of the 5 Kage.

Shiroyru

Part 1 statements aren’t canon.

soupongo

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Ld1WtN4hZScAAAAd/liar-memento.gif

Elder Lee Hung

Wait so Hiruzen > Hashirama isn’t just a meme?

Also the Monkey King can really take out other kage? Lol

SakazOuki

Hiruzen is a neg diff for Hashirama
Low diff for Tobirama
Ext diff for Minato

EmperorKinyagi

Hiruzen > Hashirama is a meme yes

HOWEVER Monkey King Enma is implied in the manga and shown in anime filler to have knocked the 9 tails out of Konoha
https://youtu.be/PJ_TbNrTM84?si=Paw5RpJxv_gE9Qwd

So it might solo Mei tbh

soupongo

@Elder Lee Hung There´s two different groups, the five kage(of the five countries) vs the 5 Hokage(The leaf villages leaders through history). Hiruzen is said to be the strongest of both groups in part 1, but Hashirama is specifically retconned in part 2 to be part of reincarnation/god tier shit, so no. He would technically low diff any other Kage/Hokage

Enma doesnt really have much screentime, its a bit of a meme

Elder Lee Hung

Does Hiruzen’s power get retconned at EOS or is his strongest shit still the monkey lol

EmperorKinyagi

Pretty much only other thing he shows is simultaneous 5 element spam
https://youtu.be/wiXyDlZ7HFY?si=F1_2P_zdOWW2NcH8

But as far as we can see his kit is basically all elements + monkey king

Shiroyru

Enma only got 1 cameo appearance in the war arc. Hiruzen’s strongest Jutsu was his 5 elements attack

EmperorKinyagi

Shikamaru also states that if Hiruzen goes down they’re cooked while all 5 of the current kage are there.

soupongo

Nah, he infamously basically gets no showings after his death, so he looks a bit ridiculous after all the power inflation that happens in the series

(in pure power inflaiton, Naruto probably is a bit worse than OP, since they go from generously building level to moon level or some shit)

Shiroyru

@EmperorKinyagi The Kage were all out of chakra at that point

Elder Lee Hung

That guy in that YouTube video says that Naruto beat Pain, gets stronger, and then after getting stronger gets blitzed by A? And A was only in V1 cloak while having a superior V2? And also that A’s sidekick said A would kill Naruto? (Idk what any of this shit means, I dropped Naruto before this point)

EmperorKinyagi

@Shiroyru all 5 of them getting mogged by OLD edo Hiruzen is still pretty bad

Shiroyru

Bruh they literally had no chakra left, what are they supposed to do lol? They don’t have the luxury of having infinite chakra regen like the Edo’s do. Idk why Kishimoto even gave Edo Tensei’s the ability to infinitely replenish chakra on top of already having infinite regen, Edo Tensei was already busted enough

soupongo

@Elder Lee Hung Idk why he said that, Naruto dodges Ay´s punch and after that their ¨fight¨ kind of ends.

V1 and V2 is just his powerup thing I guess, using lightning chakara

Ay is kind of impressive, but by the time he arrives into the story, he isn´t realy clearly above Naruto or Sasuke, and I don´t think he was really ever meant to be much above the Sanin(Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Tsunade)