XioneNot really my place to comment but.. @Sentinel Your reasoning is completely terrible on this.
How exactly is Luffy meant to leave the Yonko Commanders behind by beating the least accomplished YC1? That's absurd. It's like claiming he left Warlords behind because he beat Crocodile.
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Shurawarlords don't have hierarchy....Yonko crew has hierarchy...it has to be shown that Luffy in the range of YC1 for him to go against Yonko as a next step....
Xione@Shura A Yonko crew has a heirarchy. That heirarchy doesn't carry to other Yonko Crews. Marines follow the same Captain- YC1/2/3 formula. Are you willing to equate Kizaru/Fujitora/Green Bull to the sweet commanders simply because of that?
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Inspector_MuIf luffy wasn't above commanders... kack vs luffy would have happened at Kuri, queen vs luffy at Udon but nada... oda even let luffy gain adcoa by training with fodders lol then make him test barrier haki vs BM. Base luffy did better than Queen trash. There is no hype/portrayal/feat of any Commander right now being above luffy! None!!!
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Inspector_MuKatakuri is luffy milestone
Not King/queen/marco who have nothing to offer to luffy.
Fighting a top tier? Tackling one? Lol
Luffy has shown to blow top tiers with g3 alone
Even Marco feats are below g3 luffy.
"Least accomplished YC1" come back when they are relevant to Luffy.
Call me when any YC1 gets to be main opponent of luffy in Yonko SAGA.
People don't even understand where seriously Katakuri stand
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Inspector_MuEven benn wont be privileged to outshine a Yonko in their own arc.
Kata is officially among the mightiest (top 15) due to FS
Luffy learnt FS for Kata and the top tiers who are evasive / super fast/ logia
Learnt adcoa for Kaido/BM tanky top tiers with insane durability...
In all he needed Top tier haki for the mightiest
You think he needs top time haki for King? Marco ? Who do not have top tier stats nor skill.
XioneYou're repeating the same fan assumptive stuff that you've continued to repeat while denying actual manga based portrayal related to what Katakuri vs Luffy represented.
There is not a single panel in WCI dedicated to comparing Katakuri to Beckman, Shiryuu, and King.. for Katakuri to serve as benchmark for Luffy to surpass Beckman, Shiryuu, and King. It's simply your headcanon.
XioneThe Katakuri vs Luffy fight was a representation of Luffy entering the world of monsters, aka passing the 1 billion mark, that Oda constantly hyped up from Zou to WCI. Now Luffy is officially in the same realm as the YC monsters that are above 1 billion.
When will he surpass the YC all together? When he beats Kaido with help. And even then it won't be clear due to Beckman's hype & Shiryu's potential .
XioneThe guy you have been wanking recently talking about how luffy will surpass him, Oden, is guess what? A Yonko commander.
Unless you want to claim Luffy > Oden and stay consistant with your logic? If not you're hitting your own feet with an axe.
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ShuraHahahaha....YC level guy beats top of the top tier with the help of < YC level guys (as they have not been indicated to be in 1 billion monster range) to be at below than some of the so called YC at the end...it seems two advanced versions of haki won't be sufficient to be above of so called top commanders....
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ShuraAlso, after Wano Luffy hype eclipses Beckman hype and Luffy potential >> Shiryu potential.....or are you implying that when Luffy is about to fight BB he will be below Shiryu level??...
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ShuraBtb Luffy didn't just pass 1 billion mark...he passed billion mark by a huge margin
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ShuraIt was mentioned that Oden just traveled with Roger and WB, there is no mention of him being commander.......Rayleigh was only exceptional commander .....both are exceptional..as simple as that....regarding Beckman other than hype (majority of it comes from VC), there is nothing substantial to back up his hype
XioneThat assumes Luffy fights BB right after Kaido, which is not really likely. There is more than likely gonna be another big fight for Luffy that will hype him up properly for Blackbeard, if this is happening right before Raftel.
He surpassed it by a good amount, due to partial false hype. If removing the false hype, his bounty probably would be slightly higher than Katakuri's.
XioneYou might've missed the part about Sakazuki saying Oden was a commander on WBs ship.
That's pretty much the big hype around Oden's piracy and what he's known for in the piracy world. Somebody who was once a commander under WB. Roger picked him up later for only like 2-3 years if my memory serves me right.
XioneRayleigh isn't a "commander". Neither is Beckman.
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ShuraFake hype or not doesn't matter..Morgans won't dictate bounties....WG decides bounties...WG also didn't give bounties based on live telecast of strength of the commanders..they get their bounties based on their achievements+ their captain hype..
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ShuraOops my bad...Oden was a commander....like I said Oden can be exception like Rayleigh....after all he traveled with Roger also...
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ShuraAnyways..if Luffy steps officially into top tier (which is basically Yonkos/Admirals tier), then there is no way he is below top commanders...we will wait and see who is right and who is wrong....after all both are based on opinions
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