Worstgen
Cinera
There's no doubt that Zoro beats Dragon Kaido, it's just the difficulty that's debatable.
Adam 🍎
Or... very simply... you aren't correct?
Cinera
@DynaMight: nah. I can acknowledge when I'm potentially wrong. In the months since I made the Santoryu Zoro vs Dragon!Kaido thread, no one has been able to make a persuasive argument for Kaido winning.
Finalbeta
Why would he not be @DynaMight
Cinera
Most of the arguments in Kaido's favour have been some combination of:
Cinera
* Kaido is stronger than Zoro/Zoro fought Kaido in a 5 vs 2/why didn't Zoro defeat Kaido on his own
This is argument from a tier list, ignores that the 5 SN were fighting Kaido and Mama (not just Dragon Kaido), and ignores that Zoro spent 80% of the fight protecting Luffy
This is argument from a tier list, ignores that the 5 SN were fighting Kaido and Mama (not just Dragon Kaido), and ignores that Zoro spent 80% of the fight protecting Luffy
Cinera
* Granting Kaido attacks that he has not yet shown (e.g. ice)
This is literal argument from headcanon. Kaido went into hybrid form; he's shown all he has to offer as a dragon.
This is literal argument from headcanon. Kaido went into hybrid form; he's shown all he has to offer as a dragon.
Cinera
* Kaido can spam X attack more than he showed in the manga
Zoro has canonically countered Dragon Kaido's entire offensive arsenal. Whatever offense Kaido can bring to bear, Zoro has a ready counter for it.
Zoro has canonically countered Dragon Kaido's entire offensive arsenal. Whatever offense Kaido can bring to bear, Zoro has a ready counter for it.
Cinera
* Zoro only landed his attacks on Kaido when he wasn't focused on him. Landing attacks on an on guard Kaido would be more difficult.
This is true, but this is a reason to raise the difficulty of Kaido vs Zoro. It doesn't change the outcome of the match. Kaido literally has no ability to actually harm Zoro.
This is true, but this is a reason to raise the difficulty of Kaido vs Zoro. It doesn't change the outcome of the match. Kaido literally has no ability to actually harm Zoro.
Cinera
@DynaMight: if you disagree, then present an argument that Kaido can win. To do that, you would need to demonstrate that:
1. Kaido can effectively damage Zoro
2. Kaido can effectively evade and/or withstand Zoro's entire offensive arsenal
3. Kaido will be able to deal relatively more damage to Zoro than vice versa
#1 and #2 are false, but if you can do it, I'll be eager to see it.
1. Kaido can effectively damage Zoro
2. Kaido can effectively evade and/or withstand Zoro's entire offensive arsenal
3. Kaido will be able to deal relatively more damage to Zoro than vice versa
#1 and #2 are false, but if you can do it, I'll be eager to see it.
Adam 🍎
1. Kaido can spam AOE attack after AOE attack until Zoro tires or he breaks his defenses. He can spam hundreds of Scythes and Boro breaths and just overwhelm Zoro with attacks. Kaido wouldn't even allow Zoro to get close. And while Zoro can cut Boro Breath and Block scythe he sure can't do that against multiple attacks comming at the same time.