Worstgen

Cinera

I understand disliking it, but I don't think it's silly. Yamato doesn't feel unrealistic to me. Or like a ridiculous farce. I can personally relate to being so touched by the lives of someone that you model yourself after them.

Cinera

For appreciable portions of my life from my teenage years on, I've had heroes, whose live stories so touched me, that I sought to model myself after them.

I've been friends with similar people. This is something I can relate to on a personal level.

Cinera

I don't think Oden is particularly commendable. I don't think his life is one I would style myself after, but I can understand it on a superficial level.

Cinera

The "Hour of Legends" was supposed to be a mythical event. A single man defied the impossible, surpassed the limits of the human condition. Out of sheer determination alone, he endured incomprehensible torture such that not a single hair on his vassals would be burnt.

Cinera

I can understand looking on at that event and being awed. I can understand being swept up in the cult of personality that is Oden.

Yamato was an impressionable 8-year-old. Yamato witnessing all of that and deciding that she wanted to style her life after Oden, is understandable. More than that, I can empathise with that.

Cinera

I've sought to emulate long dead guys.

Cinera

> harasses kids because she’s got a case of starry eyed celeb worship.

Thankfully Yamato quickly dropped this. She hasn't done it since Chapter 984. I think it was very cringey, and distasteful, and I'm _really_ glad Oda dropped it.

Cinera

> As an ex Christian, you can’t sell me on the idea of subscribing to a dead man’s teachings xD.

I'm an ex Christian as well.

Cinera

> I find being inspired by dead people to be dumb. There are so many inspiring living people who are still making a difference and whose cause you can be a part of.

I've hero-worshipped living people as well. Being dead or alive didn't make any distinction for me, just how impressed I was by how they lived their lives.

I don't really do hero worship (for either the living or dead) anymore though.

Cinera

@Jew D. Boy: Yamato discussion.

This gets pretty lengthy though.

Den_Den_Mushi

I don’t hero worship anyone. I find some people admirable, doesn’t mean I want to be them or be like them. I’m happy with me.

I didn’t really find the hour of legends to be that inspiring or exciting tbh, not when you realise that he sacrificed his entire country for the sake of a handful of people. I was like ‘and you think I’ll be impressed by this? Yeesh.’ Being boiled alive was the very least he deserved.

Den_Den_Mushi

I think at her core, Hancock just wants to be loved and to find someone who isn’t superficial. Yamato is just a stunted 8 year old who ignores the fact that her idol threw his country to the wolves for his own pride. Kinda like how Sanji fucked Germa and the Sun Pirates by being prideful and dumb.

Den_Den_Mushi

She’s literally living through the consequences of Oden’s stupidity and carelessness, yet doesnt realise it and acts like he was so selfless. Are you kidding me? Oden was the most selfish person in all of Wano.

Cinera

@Den_Den_Mushi: yeah, I understand it. Oden was stupid. To any sensible external observer, he was stupid.

Oda wrote Oden in story as being valiant or something.

Cinera

This is a case of the author failing in conveying their intended interpretation. We're not supposed to think Oden is stupid.

Cinera

Kaido, Momonosuke, all the Scabbards, everyone of note praises Oden.

Cinera

Yamato cannot scorn Oden his stupidity, because Oda himself does not believe Oden was stupid.

Cinera

Oda basically dictated that Oden was a great man by fiat, and Yamato is a product of that.

Cinera

Oden was such a great man he inspired his nemesis' only child to seek to emulate him.

Den_Den_Mushi

Be that as it may, that’s what makes Yamato’s character far worse than Hancock’s for me. She even cosplays Oden while Hancock is very much her own person, even when she’s fangirling.

Daughter of Kaido with a generic sad daddy beat me backstory? Boring. At least Hancock was original at the time.