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mly90
@BleakAsh Because there is a massive nerf that comes with using Enma unlike Shusui, that it steals the users haki by overcoming this if Zoro grows stronger how does this make Enma a power up. You should be crediting the user instead of hyping the sword lmao
Adam 🍎
Even amongst swords of same rank there is a clesr distinction which is better. Is it the same if you have a kilo of gold or kilo of Silver? No ofc not, yet both are counted as precious metals
BleakAsh
i mean why would Zoro accept shusui if he never got anything in return out of it.. and would bother mastering it over again.
Adam 🍎
If Zoro didnt need Enma he would stick with Ryuma's sword. Whole national treasure gist means nothing if they lose at Onigashima. Enma is an obvious power up
BleakAsh
Enma isn't a massive nerf and zoro prove it by utilizing its perks in the battle on the roof.. its said that enma cuts more than its needed with the haki it exerts from the user.. this puts it offensively over anyother blade zoro had, zoro consciously restricts haki flow in enma.. there is that minor draw back but zoro has been restricting its flow and utilizing it.. until flying dragon blaze where he used its perk-
mly90
@DynaMight Zoro respected the wishes of the people of Wano and hiyori and gave it back and she did say she would give him a good replacement for it. Zoro would have gone into to the war with Shusui otherwise with no issue not like he was looking for a power up either and no i disagree great grade swords have such vast different levels to them. Oda put all 21 great grade swords on the same level
BleakAsh
so if he restricts the haki flow then he practically barely get exhausted.Until flying dragon blaze he was restricting it and during that moment he imbued enma with tremendous haki that resulted in his exhaustion.. so keeping tabs on the blade basically mitigates any drawbacks that comes from it and he can use that perk to imbue his haki increase his offenses whenever he wants..we saw that during tatsumaki and Ashura
Sentinel
Enma was mainly use as COA training tool. Technically, both Enma and Shusui are the same graded swords; Shusui being a black blade on top of that. But Enma drains Haki a lot, so mastering this sword made Zoro stronger regardless due to his training.
BleakAsh
@mly90 if zoro respected their wishes then knowing the imminent war approaching he'd keep shusui and return it after the war.. where oda could have set up Ryuma's parallel moment for zoro and repeat that feat which would be wayy more thrilling than anything zoro has done atm.. and yes by respecting the peopel's wishes he would have exchanged the blade after EoW
BleakAsh
@Sentinel but its also a powerup simultaneously, seeing how he utilizes and manipulates enmas power to his benefit... ig everyone agrees Kaido would d have been fatally with flying dragon blaze which was execute using enmas perks.. but then we also have Tatsumaki which also emphasized enma in that whole scenarios i don't get . it can't be that much of a coincidence that oda loves to draw enma out of all blades.
BleakAsh
and making kaido call out enma specifically that it must be why zoro cuts him..
mly90
@BleakAsh You saw Zoro arm first time he got his hands on Enma it's a clear nerf and extremely hard to control you have clear panels showing you that. The fact Zoro was able to use it on the roof means he has gotten complete control over how much haki he extert or the same thing would have kept happeni when his arm shriveled first time. Lets stop here i don't think we will ever come to an agreement on this topic lmao
BleakAsh
that doesn't make it nerf, you don't get it.. zoro just went all in with the blsd but now he's consciously controlling the flow of haki within the blade... minimizing any excess haki hence less fatigue... this should be common sense.. you make it seem like its as bad as gear 4's drawbacks
Jailer
Z-boys are dumb, Enma being a nerf lmfao, it's like saying Shogun is a nerf cause Franky can't be as agile in it or Raid suit being a nerf
Adam 🍎
Nothing is a nerf if you can control it 5 chapters after
mly90
@Jailer You can overcome nerf which is what Zoro did my point was it was not an easy sword to master or use, Franky had two whole years with the Shogun and it does exactly what it was designed for not the best way to compare them. The rs just need you to discover learn how to use, from what we know of it so far there are no drawbacks to using it either that Sanji would need to train to master
Jailer
Zoro had two weeks and got used to it, so Enma isn't a nerf.
mly90
Which you should be crediting him for instead of hyping Enma as nobody in Wano was able to do the same for decades before Zoro.
Adam 🍎
No one is denying Enma has its problems. But is obvious as day and night it has those problems bcs the sword itself is Special and powerful. Ryuma's sword didnt have any drawbacks what so ever
mly90
@DynaMight Tenguyama explained what Enma does quirks like draining the users haki taking excessive amounts from the user all disappear when you master it. I honestly don't see what makes it special and powerful because those quirks only have major disadvantages like how is Enma different from Shusui for example when you master it. What does it have other Wado and Shusui lack