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Jailer

More than anything they expected this to not be the usual one piece arc with zero deaths, it's also why it lacks tension. No one recovers from the scabbards bs.

If we count the entire arc then Orochi killed Yasu at least. But in this war zero deaths. Imagine being in Kaido's shoes, he smashes Kinemon's skull straight up, cuts him in half and he is still alive, can't make that stuff up.

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Gorosei Informer

2 Yonkos and neither them of killed anyone directly in the present. Especially that wasn't on their side I mean, killed no enemies so far.

It's absolutely pathetic. It doesn't feels like a war on 2 Yonko at all.

Completely agree about the setting affecting it too, that is a really great observation and food for thought. An open battlefield is always better for portrayal I guess?

Kinemon surviving Kaido as Jailer

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was saying is complete BS too and then Oda added insult to injury with the Punk Hazard Law vs Kinemon throwback and that whole "his body wasn't up back together properly".

GTFO Oda!

BleakAsh

that something we have to put up with.. till the end of series unfortunately.. 0 deaths

that was also the case marine Ford until the end ofc but the setting helped with portraying the damage done to the alliance or both sides given it was an open space battle field.. oda used opportunities to convey the perspectives of foot soldiers and how each gain or loss affected them that how the setting helped alot.

Jailer

I wouldn't even mind the zero deaths, at least don't make up these bullshit scenarios of characters surviving for the sake of fake tension, when there's ways to avoid them.

BleakAsh

the law thing was just too much tbh.. it was almost like oda had planned on trolling us from PH onward

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Yeah, at least MF gave us WB and Ace and they were very impactful deaths too ofc.

I do think Oda really captured that war feeling with Marineford well, being able to see the scale of the war, the perspectives of the fighters so easily and abundantly. It was definitely much better than this. @BleakAsh

Aye absolutely @Jailer I can agree on that too. The way he makes some characters survive is just utter BS and

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thus really just provides that fake tension as you said.

@BleakAsh It really does seem that way doesn't it? It does feel like Oda is being more vindictive/spiteful with his writing now. Purposely emotionally manipulating and abusing his audience for whatever reasons he has. The silhouettes, fake tension and death fake outs, absurdly, insultingly bad writing at times, the sporadic pacing, too much focus on Big Mom

BleakAsh

just imagine how fine law's DF cuts are.. and somehow kaido coincidentally was able to cut it fine enough in the exact spot for kinemon to survive

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screaming, chasing, going to Udon, Ulti and Page One chasing Nami and Usopp which disgustingly became more a gag scene instead in the anime too, the focus on Tama and her BS hypocritical DF and the absolutely awful gifters in general and that sumo too. Also thow he ruined ninjas and made Hotei and his squad useless and so on.

Jailer

Two ways this war would have been much better:

1) Stop stalling for Luffy's chapter 1000 moment, let the pace flow naturally

2) If you don't want to kill any character, don't put them into situations just to trick the reader, that happening in a long running serie in every single arc gets annoying.

There are other things involving Tama wasting chapters, Nami/Usopp fights but would be a good start at least

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It really makes no sense too, Kaido stabbed Kinemon, it was a piercing move, when did he cut Kinemon in the same spot and in a similar manner to Law did to Kinemon? It really is the definition of an asspull and even a retcon. Oda really didnt want to kill off Kinemon, hes had 2nd thoughts/regrets immediately or something, I refuse to believe this was all planned, hes regretting trying to kill off Kinemon

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and trying to asspull a way to make him live instead.

@Jailer Completely agree with that too, Luffy took what 10 chapters to get to the rooftop with Odas deliberate stalling? Insanity! Toei couldnt anywner near to the rooftop 5 fight for 1000 either but it would have been much more difficult for them to do I imagine ofc.

Absolutely. It really feels like Fairy Tail and Bleach TYBW atm.

BleakAsh

you are still on about that hotie guy... he more forgetful than Fukurokuju... reminds me of Denjiro's irrelevance atm

tbh even if oda didn't execute the war as ideally as some envisioned we really did get some great themes out of Onigashima..

i just don't get it i won't say Onigashima act or wano in general is trash as hell but given what hype it generated before its debut it does feel underwhelming from that ang

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Nami and Usopp deserved so much better somehow. Oda forgot about Usopp's CoO awakening and considering how much those two got fucked up vs Page One and Ulti, it would have made sense for them to finally awaken CoA and even Nami get CoO too for dodging or something? Like an instinctive, discount Future Sight or something? Ultra instinct? Ulti Instinct? Lmfao

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@BleakAsh I only just mentioned him haha, people here are constantly mentioning him like hes some top tier character and hoping he's gonna appear and literally slay. I've given up on him now pretty much, Oda really doesn't care. He could have fought Denjiro or been a real nemesis potentially at least, especially if Denjiro was evil, if he was just Kyoshiro even or too corrupted or so. Its ironic irrelevant Denjiro

BleakAsh

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@Jailer the first point is just fax... why did he gave into the his editors pressure and paced things up this much for a chapter that may be of worth for the moment but in the grand scheme of of things if he went on with the initial plan it would have reinforced the moment even more

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is too with this context too lmao.

Yeah, Onigshima does have some great themes, I still have some hope for it in that regard.

Wano was setup since Thriller Bark at least so its been 14 plus years or so in the hype making. You could argue same for Big Mom potentially too but its more of a stretch somewhat. I really dread for Elbaf now as its been hyped for longer and has more influence in the story and world too.

BleakAsh

i remember saying i'd quit the series if there is no. Ussop moment..

https://media.tenor.com/images/0d0f80e7601d8aed53c2d70e486da577/tenor.gif

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Gorosei Informer

@BleakAsh Its even worse that the rooftop fight wasnt planned and it was requested for Oda to do around chapter 980 or so? As you said, they could have just carried on as normal and that would have been better and reinforced it better as well too. Let it flow naturally, dont force it or accelerate it and just let things come together naturally.