Worstgen

Cinera

We don't know how much stronger Zoro has gotten, and yes some people would argue that Enma was a massive power up and yes that is very annoying (Enma only improved his COA mastery, and didn't help Zoro unlock any of its advanced forms), but the debate over just how much stronger Enma made Zoro can never really be settled, so it's pretty unproductive.

Cinera

On one hand being perceived as contradicting Zoro's direct statement on Enma making him stronger is generally a terrible look and offers no real benefit. On the other hand, the supermajority of people agree that Enma was not a substantial boost in Zoro's combat ability (90.3% of people thought Current Zoro vs DR Zoro is at least a high diff).

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632505278935465984/7021197778327961

Cinera

So we're really arguing and ruining our credibility for no real benefit.

M

MD Zolo

The question isn't whether Enma made Zoro stronger, the question is whether Enma itself is a power-up.

We are in the boat that Enma itself is not a power-up rather it is a stimulus for Zoro to get stronger by training his haki further.

Others (non-Zoro fans) are in the boat of Enma being magic sword.

Cinera

Well Enma is clearly no longer a magic sword. I haven't encountered serious powerscalers who still believe that. But I guess I rarely bother with the arguments of those whose opininons I don't hold in some regard.

Finalbeta

I don't know if the sword has more AP than Shusui and the others, but for sure the training itself made Zoro stronger

M

MD Zolo

I have any faith in "powerscalers". Nobody is objective about powerscaling, so serious or not, the goal is to push a narrative.

In this case, the the narrative was that Enma itself is the source of power and it is responsible for cutting things, not Zoro. Hence, Zoro fans put forward the argument that Enma is not a power-up. The argument is not meant to deny that Zoro got stronger due to Enma.

Cinera

@MD Zolo fair enough.