Worstgen

Let Shishio finish his line of coke then he'll come running back.

I think current Shanks extreme diffs prime Ray, and as I said in the past, it makes no sense narratively for Shanks to push Mihawk any higher than high diff.

TheAncientCenturion

I have them as about equal? Both are master swordsman with Oda putting their names side by side when it came to their CoC capabilities. I think I might favor Shanks slightly more in a fight, simply because he's Mihawk's former rival and a Yonkou. Bit more prestigious, but they're pretty interchangeable for me.

TheAncientCenturion

I see what started the argument. Shishio's insane love for Rayleigh. I think that's a fair placement for both. High diff in Shanks vs Mihawk and extreme diff between the two of them.

Cinera

@Admiral Lee Hung why was I not tagged? :lusalty:

Cinera

Anyway, this is going to be pretty hard. Both of them should be on the same level, however by hype and portrayal, Prime Ray shits on Shanks.

Cinera

The Dark King's infamy puts all the Yonkou bar Shirohige to shame.

Old and a couple decades into retirement, he was able to stop Borsalino in his tracks with the latter admitting that special preparations would be needed to capture him.

Cinera

Said Old Rayleigh felt that in his prime he'd be able to do more than just stop Borsalino (wishing he could take on Sentomaru and the Pacifista as well).

Cinera

Garp compared Old Rayleigh to WB saying the Marines would lose countless men, and advising against attempting to take on two legends at the same time.

Cinera

Same Old Rayleigh had his conqueror's haki compared to a Prime Shanks (both being able to knock out all 100K fishmen soldiers). We know Conqueror's haki is a reflection of the user's strength, so in his prime Ray's haki would have been even stronger.

Elder Lee Hung

@Cinera Shit my bad bro, I could've sworn I posted this on your Wall and not TAC's lmfao. I meant to post it on your wall anyway. Lol

Elder Lee Hung

I do not think prime Ray even comes close to out-doing Shanks in hype. Notoriety maybe, but not hype. The Gorosei sent their guards away to speak to Shanks lol. Don't think Ray has earned that honor.

Cinera

Shanks in his part lost an arm, and I think that significantly hindered his potential. I guess Two Armed Shanks might have been able to best Rayleigh, but with only an arm, I would give the fight to Rayleigh at solid high difficulty.

TheAncientCenturion

The Invincible Katakuri wank blessed me with this post.

Light D Lamperouge

Lemme read the debate first lmao. Wanna see what points were brought up.

Cinera

@Admiral Lee Hung the Gorosei agreeing to speak to Shanks wasn't hype IMO. It suggested that he was either in fact the Red Snitch, or was quite the skilled diplomat. It doesn't really say anything about his combat ability.

Cinera

Even Old Rayleigh outdoes Shanks in hype.

You can't compare a "mere Yonkou" to the Dark King himself.

Elder Lee Hung

I think the Yonko title is for sure greater than being Roger's first mate. The Yonko are the current dominant Pirates, Rayleigh never solidified himself as being on that level. Against the Roger Pirates, his place seemed to be pretty firmly in the underling category.

Cinera

Well, everyone knows who the Dark King is, and some Grandline Pirates didn't know who the Yonkou were.