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My reply stands lmao

None of them are of any real narrative significance tbh. Other than Robin, I guess But even she's kinda just "anyone else who could read ancient language could've replaced her." Narrative never really emphasizes on her individuality or goals or archeology. At the end of the day, her role ends...

That changes nothing about what I said? He was getting negged in Shikai. Then he also used Bankai and Dordoni did well. And he was even beating Bankai Ichigo after gaining an edge If Ichigo has any hope of being close to Byakuya in HM, then he needs to at bare minimum neg Dordoni with Bankai

Not really. He went Bankai and nowhere was it stated me massively held back. Dordoni got some advantage via unfair means and then Bankai Ichigo straight up started losing. Hell, Dordoni wasn't even fully certain that Ichigo can beat him without mask. He thought Ichigo would "probably" win...

Probably, though it'd be a good and proper fight as shown by their showings against each other. And Dordoni is a fodder to Espada and Byakuya.

Dordoni > Byakuya?

Raw strength in pure CQC specifically. Hitsugaya is good at playing hit-and-run/stall game otherwise, even against the Tres Espada. He's able to constantly react to her and avoid her and pull tricks to stall. It's proven that he IS weaker. It's proven that HM Byakuya WILL neg diff HM Bankai...

Literally did just that. Thrice Literally started with that lol

I replied to all of them, and then you ignored every single thing I said and just repeated yourself. Five times in a row too like damn. But 'ey.

Concession accepted.

His Shikai allows him to construct and deconstruct reishi. His Bankai allows his to construct and physical and tangible shit.

We don't. We just have evidence of Hitsugaya being physically weaker than released Luppi in raw strength> Though we DO have prolonged evidence for HM Ichigo being comparable to Dordoni, who is far weaker than Luppi, who is far weaker than Byakuya. Therefore, SS Ichigo being comparable or...

No. That was just Renji. Idk why you're insulting me or going off topic or spam ignoring everything I say. I genuinely remember you being one of the good faith people here with good arguments. Anyway my point hinges on SS feats being irrelevant to HM. Yours hinges on the contrary. I'm using...

Do you also have Dordoni > Starrk btw lmao

No. I'm trying to emphasize that Ichigo's PL is inconsistent due to mental block. Or Dordoni > Base Yammy, which isn't really farfetched anyway. Regardless- Bankai Ichigo struggling against Dordoni (even if he won without mask,it'd be high diff) is a canonical fact. He'd get shit on by likes...

Couldn't even beat Dordoni.

You can't use SS to scale with HM/FKT. It's unclear if Ichigo is much weaker due to mental block or if Byakuya and other captains got massively stronger between SS and HM, but it's clear the gap isn't like that anymore. Bankai Ichigo in HM is a fodder who can't even beat Dordoni, much less...

You've been using Luppi example for past 4 posts. Which in itself is irrelevant to literally anything you said here. Nothing about that had anything to do with speed and everything to do with ice-prep. In any case, no speed comparison metric. I know people like to think because Ulq blitzed...

Last response, won't bother if you intend to just troll w/o addressing anything thereafter. All-out Zoro using Asura has feat of briefly overpowering and doing decent damage to Hybrid Kaido without ACoC, yes? Imagine trying to dismiss that entirely by saying, "Zoro was getting his ass kicked...

This shit is my fault. Talking with OP fans and expecting anything beyond "Dis character cool i agenda" arguments. R1 Ulq > Starrk now, damn.