Yeah some of them were/are just right hand men
Its pretty much just about how the conqueror of the crew is special in comparison to the rest
Only time its not really the case is when multiple members have conquerors. In that case theyll need something to solidify them as special in comparison
Kuzan > shiryu and sanji's opponent
Sabo > kuma and ivankov
Joker > king and queen π
I think what makes the standout stands in comparison is them being natural conquerors
Like i do think sabo, kuzan, and Beckman will also have conquerors haki like ace, teach, katakuri, doflamingo and yamato did...
Tbh i dont think any of the ones i listed as the "special ones" are too far from their leaders when in their primes. But yeah i pretty much agree with everything you said.
And oda even made kaido and oden the same age with them having sons the same year (both paralleling the other). They also...
Is scaring kaido not a conquerors feat?
Did zoro not have barrier haki pre wano?
If barrier haki can already bypass kaidos scales how would internal haki work better/differently?
Marco himself was essentially a place holder to oden and while ace wasn't the right hand wb still had bigger plans...
Ryuu is armament same as mantra is observation. The scabbards didn't need to harden their blades to cut kaido
The scabbards
Its still an ability thar points to Oden being an extremely special person.
Comparable as to both have way stronger coc than Fishman island luffy yes.
Rayleigh probably...
Yes zoro is overall stronger but were specifically talking about armament
And zoro and the scabbards were able to hurt kaido just as much as eachother with them being able to make kaido bleed but not doing any legit "deep cuts". Again specifically when it comes to armament
Zoro who likely...
Ngl surprised to hear you say luffy has better armament mastery than zoro πΏ
Tho doesn't the fact that theyre able to draw blood and cut kaido imply zoro and the scabbards can bypass his scales eith their armament. Like maybe its the case but i feel like it feels weird that "basic" barrier haki...
If it said the absolute most amount of Fishman they'd be able to defeat even if there were more than yes but it doesn't say that
If you can beat up 7 out of a group of 20 ten year olds before but the hulk and mike Tyson can beat up all 20 does that mean those 2 are on the same level?
Oden's armament is just as advanced as the scabbards and zoro if not more so do none of them have that technique of armament down?
Ray and shanks being able to knock out all 100,000 there still doesn't mean if there were 100 million they'd be able to ko the same amount. It also doesn't mean...
Oda saying ray and shanks could ko all 100,000 compared to fmi luffys 50,000 does not at all mean rayleigh and shanks coc is on the same level
Its like saying idk sasaki can defeat 50 out of 100 sulong minks while jack, akainu, and Magellan can beat all 100. It doesn't mean they're all the same...
Just to clarify when i say alive ace i mean if he was still alive not him before dying πΏ
If he was still alive now hed be stronger
Tho i do think he was on the same level as him and jozu before he died
They were still their right hands when they were alive
Ace would've grown stronger than marco but wasn't newgates right hand
Oden was stronger than rayleigh imo but wasn't Rogers right hand
Marco and rayleigh had those positions decades before the 2 joined
Nothing puts ray over oden
Which is why hes not on the spread but yamato was still under kaido's control pre luffy. And kaido has been trying to force kaido into the roll for the past 20 plus years
Yeah thats why i said alive ace
Pre yami teach was still likely in Marco and jozu's range...
Color spread shows all the right hand men (excluding the world government ones) but not necessarily the strongest characters "under" each captain
:kayneshrug:
Oden > rayleigh and scopper
Ben > lucky and yasopp
Yamato > king and queen
Katakuri > smoothie and cracker
Killer > heat and wire
Alive...
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