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Yeah, Luffy's head is cracked clean open with blood pouring out.

They're literally off to the side while Luffy is standing directly behind Kaido.

Law and Zoro were blown off to the side, whereas Luffy landed directly behind Kaido after Thunder Bagua. Not to mention Zoro was pretty much laying on the ground when Kaido used Thunder Bagua. 40+ foot Kaido would have had to swing like he was golfing in order to hit Zoro.

Hmm, odd how the person currently 1 v 1ing Kaido supposedly always loses to the person 1 v 1ing a stretcher at the moment. :zorothink:

And Kaido's AdCoC Thunder Bagua knocked Luffy out cold in a single hit, meanwhile countless lethal string attacks from Doflamingo couldn't put down Luffy. Not really sure what you are getting at here.

So you just completely ignored what the entire debate was about and cherry picked a single post for the sake of arguing?

Funny how stupid it sounds when I use their own logic against them, huh? "If Page One gets up from an AdCoC attack from a Yonko, then that must mean he's stronger than Yonko Commanders, because they don't have the feats to back up that they can survive an AdCoC attack from a Yonko."

Not an excuse. This is how power scaling works. It's how it has been for years. Not all characters are going to be drawn doing grandeur things. The simple fact that they are shown to be capable of fighting against characters who can do them is enough. Katakuri and Cracker both lost after...

Flawed logic as Oda doesn't have the time to give these secondary characters such grandeur feats. The simple fact that he's had these characters go toe to toe with Top Tiers, and placed then one level below the strongest of the strong is enough to tell us where they stand in the power structure...

Extremely doubtful.

Through sheer willpower. Doesn't change the fact that had he took the attack any longer and he would have suffered a fate far worse than just breaking every bone in his body.

For 3 seconds. And. Almost. Died.

You can't compare a single sword strike from Mihawk to a hundred meter high flying slash. So what's the excuse for Zoro going to be if Page One gets back up from a CoC punch from Big Mom? Page One Top Tier?

What does any of that matter. Jozu still completely blocked Mihawk's attack with zero damage. By your guys logic of Zoro blocking Hakkai for like 3 seconds and almost dying, that makes Jozu a Top Tier. :kayneshrug: Yeah, Queen got ragged by Big Mom and was up and moving around almost...

Commanders were shown to be capable of fighting against Top Tiers on their own for an extended period of time. Zoro has not shown anything of that nature. Jozu blocked Mihawk's massive slash with zero damage. Marco blocked Kizaru's Yasakami no Magatami with zero damage. Jack fought against...

You replace all 5 of the Supernova's on the rooftop with just a single Top Tier and they do a way better job against Kaido and Big Mom. Which Top Tiers does Zoro have left from here on out? Mihawk is one. Maybe an Admiral depending on how things play out. Meanwhile there is still the...

He went straight to Top Tiers with the assistance of 4 other people, and he's currently knocking on deaths door at the moment as a result.

Oda had to make them strong enough to be able to fight the second and third strongest fighters in a Yonko crew before making those fights actually happen. You don't build up Yonko commanders to be capable of fighting against Top Tiers for a fixed amount of time, and then have two characters who...

Well Big Mom having motherly affection for children of a certain age is completely inline with her character. Even if it is inconsistent, it fits given her irrational personality. Not to mention Prometheus does say it sometimes shows up with children under a certain age. Tama showed Big Mom...