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  1. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    Who do you have as the weakest top tier?
  2. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    It's the truth. I think that's because Oda is using it as a symbol of the strongest Pirates. Everyone with Haoshoku coating is at least one level above Marco. And everyone that's significantly stronger than Marco in Wano has shown Haoshoku coating.
  3. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    I mean, why do you think Sanji gets Haoshoku coating? "Very strongest" > "mightiest". But also, the weakest people with FS (Katakuri/Post WCI Luffy) are weaker than Marco. The weakest person with Haoshoku coating (Yamato/1010 Luffy/1033 Zoro) are at least a level above the likes of Marco...
  4. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    No, I think that Katakuri is not among the very strongest. I mean compare how Katakuri was treated by Linlin to how post 1010 Luffy and Yamato were treated by Kaido.
  5. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    People we know that are capable of using Haoshoku coating: Roger Whitebeard Oden Kaido Luffy post 1010 Linlin Yamato Zoro post 1033 I don't think there's anyone among them that isn't a "Top Tier". All of them are well above the likes of Marco and Katakuri. And Kaido didn't say that only...
  6. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    Why? What sort of kingly ambitions does Sanji have? What sort of King does Sanji seek to become? Does Sanji even have clear incontrovertible proof of Hardening yet? I agree here.
  7. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    No, Kaido's statement implies that in order to be capable of Haoshoku coating one must be a Top Tier. It's portrayal, not a feat specific thing. The ability to infuse Haoshoku into your attacks is incontrovertible proof that one is a Top Tier.
  8. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    Seethe: Queen and for now even King are not among "a handful of the very strongest". Everyone capable of Haoshoku coating (including Yamato) are Top Tiers in the One Piece world. Did you mean to say "isn't"?
  9. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    Zoro's offensive prowess have always outclassed his other stats. But this isn't about Rooftop Zoro vs Yamato, it's about Sanji vs Yamato. Yamato's Haoshoku coating is incontrovertible proof that she's some form of Top Tier: See above. Marco is not one among "the very strongest". Oda...
  10. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    I agree here. Black flames from COA would be under "Advanced COA" IMO. Beating Queen is not enough to show any sort of superiority over Yamato. Yamato is one among the "very strongest": She's a Top Tier. Defeating Queen wouldn't let Sanji contend with Top Tiers, so it's not enough to...
  11. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    Zoro drew way more blood than Yamato did with Dead Man's Game. Zoro knocked down Dragon Kaido with Tatsumaki Zoro wanted to bring Kaido down with him, not to make him physically fall. The knocking Kaido down argument is idiotic given that Red Rock knocked Kaido down. Yamato's Thunder Bagua did...
  12. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    Eh, the context of "The Stars Take the Stage" made me think it was Luffy's two strongest subordinates. Didn't this already happen? Fair enough, this is a reasonable contention. What other explanation for a DJ power up could there be? Germa ties?
  13. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    IMO Zoro surpassed Yamato this chapter: His offensive prowess was already leagues above her without Haoshoku coating: Now, he outclasses her very badly in this stat. Yamato still has some advantages, but I can't fathom how she could possibly win. 1033 Zoro > Yamato >/~/< King > Rooftop...
  14. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    Luffy is going to have a 10th Crewmate (see BB's 10 Captains), and right now, Yamato is the only plausible candidate.
  15. Cinera

    General & Others How Does Sanji Surpass Yamato?

    It seems as if Oda very much intends for Sanji to remain the #3 of the crew. Robin called him the wings of the Pirate King. The chapter when he returned to action alongside Zoro was titled "The Stars Take the Stage". So from a narrative perspective, I would expect Sanji to remain as the #3 of...
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