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Bruv... you even have a FLAP sfx as King uses his Base wings to land. :seriously:

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Please explain how is King executing Oomori Karyudon while staying stationary in air without falling.

Yup. Even Sakazuki didnt go all out in Marineford imo, that happened at Punk Hazard. They are all insanely strong fighters who got vastly underplayed due to bad powerscaling and recency bias leading to a good chunk of the fandom thinking they are relative and just slightly above Commanders...

Until we see everything that the Admirals have in their bag when they are fleshed out, we can never say who is stronger. Only thing we can say is that Sakazuki is a cut above the rest and the rest are super relative to each other and each being insanely strong.

Yeah I aint taking anything away from Greenbull. The main highlight from the chapter wasn't whether GB defeated nerfed/full power K+Q. The highlight was that an Admiral will easily handle two top YCs and YCs dont stand a chance against Admirals. That being spelled out is the bigger W.

Yeah I'm 100% not arguing against K+Q losing to Greenbull. This chapter just underlined that Admirals are fucking strong. And weren't those considered nerfs? Besides the point, they replaced it with other stuff theyre comfortable with using. King likely hasnt and no one would get over losing a...

Hell, I even think "King is never reaching 100% after being maimed by Dragon Damnation" is a valid argument fwiw. Just like how Jozu or Shanks losing an arm makes a difference. Zoro even said that I'll scar this into your body so that you can remember me or something to King before Dragon...

Hell, I even think "King is never reaching 100% after being maimed by Dragon Damnation" is a valid argument fwiw. Just like how Jozu or Shanks losing an arm makes a difference. @Ven437

Disagree on the Commander rankings but even I think King and Queen were nerfed due to their injuries a bit. IRL, Losing a wing makes a bird struggle for months due to the change in body weight which affects Balance. King probably works the same way although I wouldnt rely much on such logic in...

Yup. One small mistake against a casual Kuzan and Jozu was crippled for life. Commanders have to be at 100% to even stall Admirals and they wont even last long unless they have Marco's fruit - by far the best staller.

I dont think Oda would write that into a scene where he intends to hype Greenbull. Where Greenbull even says that he cannot be defeated by mere Commanders.

Greenbull's casual attack is strong enough to restrict two Ancient Zoan Commanders, attacks fast enough to restrict (King in speed mode & Queen at the same time), enough AOE to cover entire Udon and have high lethality due to the nutrients sucking which is hax. Add his COA to it as well. This...

Same Brook was restrained by Perospero's candy not so long ago. He is getting one shot before he even registers what happened. Greenbull's vines are hella fast, he 1v2'd two Commanders not so long ago. Big Mom embarassing herself against Brook doesn't mean Greenbull would do so.

The plants are strong enough to hold & restrict two Ancient Zoan commanders at the same time especially with Haki. They ain't getting frozen easily.

Wrecked through nothing, never saw Greenbull piercing Flame On King only Flame Off version. And one stab is all that's needed given it sucks nutrients straight out. One Piece is a manga where Biscuits are strong enough to block G3 and here we are surprised that a Top Tier's ability (Vines) are...

Oda: *Writes a scene with an intention to hype Admirals. Explicitly spells out that Admirals were never comparable to Commanders and were leagues above them.* Fandom: King and Queen are trash because they lost to an Admiral!

From an attack which is on a similar level to the one which put even Kaidou in bandages for weeks? I'll take it, especially when the person who negg'ed him was a fucking Admiral.

Didn't seem like he was activating the heat of his devil fruit for 2-3 days straight. And why can't Greenbull affect his surroundings with his df? Which only seems to affect his hands as he uses it casually? Although I admit that the Robin example is a good counter. Let's see though, I only...

Kaidou got perma scarred while Dragon Damnation tore through King's Strongest Attack, his Sword, Knocked him out and then Maimed him for life. Brudda you just salty Zoro fought this guy after swearing he won't see Commanders at all after Rooftop :milaugh: