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Actually dude if you go back grouch this entire argument you'll notice that I'M the one trying to make your theory work... I'M the one constantly making the timeline and trying to ask you for explanations for the time line that accommodates your theory Problem is that after I present to you the...

Oh so you're saying Koshiro was in Wano then? So he was talking about his dojo in east blue while he was in Wano? So according to you that chapter no longer makes sense since the entire point if that montage was to highlight the events ocvuring all over east blue... Do you remember that? That...

Nah I think it's just a random sword really... there's no reason for this orphan kid to have a famous sword at all

It's not though... Street orphans don't just have 21 grade swords do they

The quote is "over 50 years ago" And he left Koushiro his very famous sword as a baby and went to East blue and Denjiro happened to find him in east blue Hehehe, sure why not... Next you explain why he was in East blue 22 years ago during Oden's crusade in Wano and then went back to Wano...

So you can't say anything and don't want anyone else to say anything because YOU Can't Let's just leave it here... you can continue waiting for Oda to spoon feed you... I'm done

We see Kuina's birth 22 years ago in the manga in chapter 0 and koushiro is there in east blue... And remember kouzaburou was not in Wano when koushiro was born... Over fifty years ago kouzaburou was already in east blue... why would koushiro be born in Wano and have his father's sword when his...

Well no do you have another person in mind as kouzaburou's descendant who Oda says is a character we already know? Just give me one alternative... and also give me one reason Koushiro lives in Shimotsuki village, has the shimotsuki clan symbol and has Kouzaborou's sword If you can give any...

Kouzaborou thought koushiro is dead and yer koushiro has his sword? And koushiro was in east blue raising a family 22 years ago yet we know this was the time Oden was trying to pen the wano borders and specifically said his 9 scabbards were helping his do this.... You're saying one of the...

Of course Hehehe, it's weird how Denjiro must be Koushiro because he has a sword that looks like Wado but Kouzaborou the maker of wado who was definitely in east blue around the time Koushiro was born factors not one bit in this scenario... despite the fact that Denjiro/koushiro still ended up...

Okay... But you are okay with Koushiro having a shimotsuki clan symbol and having wado ichimonji as his family sword and Kouzaborou being a shimotsuki and having made Wado Ichimonnji and having been in East blue at the time Koushiro was born This part is okay? 1572002472 Btw I'm not against...

If the Vivre card is LYING then how do we buy Koushiro's age? I'd the Vivre card is lying about his place of birth then it could be lying about his age too? Why should we trust anything in the Vivre card then? Hehehe, okay let's clear some things up... kuina was born in East blue 22 years...

So you are assuming That sword is Wado... fine... then start explaining eveything else that we ALREADY KNOW FOR A FACT about koushiro to add to you theory Because otherwise you are sort of claiming that the thigs we know about koushiro already are lies for some reason and you are the one who...

Which part isn't proven? Koushiro being born in eat blue 51 years ago? Kouzaborou being s shimotsuki who made wado ichimonji and left wano over 50 year ago? A Wano citizen going to east blew decades ago and having a descendant who is a character we already know? Koushiro having the shimotsuki...

No everything I just said is a fact... The Oda statement about a Wano citizen going to east blue, koushiro having the shimotsuki clan symbol and wado ichimonji and Kouzaborou having made wado ichimonji... None of this is up for debate Hehehe, Oda even says a DESCENDANT OF A WANO CITIZEN IN EAST...

Well that's what it LOOKS LIKE... Not what it is Everything I mentioned is canon facts in the story... This denjiro has Wado ichimonji thing is an assumption For it to be true, you're the one who has to somehow reconcile it with the canon facts So let's begin. We know 51 years ago that...

Pretty much... Oda said a Wano citizen went to East blue a few decades back and his decendant is a character we all know Kouzaborou is a Shimotsuki who made Wado ichimonji and left wano over 50 years ago Koushiro was born 51 years ago in East blue and has Wado ichimonji as his family sword and...

Don't we know for a fact that Koushiro's father is from Wano... Why wouldn't koushiro's dad keep the family crest on his clothes? Wouldn't that mean koushiro also wears clothes with the shimotsuki family crest because of his father? Pretty obvious no? 1572000232 And yet Zoro was born in East blue

I genuinely had to stop for like a minute on that Denjiro rip off scene... That's some backward mental gymnastics 1571999744 This isn't true... no retainer joined Oden on Roger's crew Also Koshiro was born in east blue