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lets not act like punches are the same as sword attacks kidd implied its not the same in any case. "He "failed"(his haki was broken , arms were in pain) to block Kaido's club swing and also Ragnarok. Whiles Zoro with Adults deflected Kaido's club attacks" true

so it was better than luffy's pre udon but luffy has gone a step above that in udon. unless we get a comparison of an attack luffy fails to block that zoro could. then its really up to what you think I could def see him having stronger armament end of it all while luffy has better coc and coo.

dont think so . not sure how we quantify haki strength either.

yeah fuck this my real opinion quantifying luffy and zoro's endurance in this battle is near impossible a good moment is thriller bark when zoro was still standing after taking luffy's pain thats a direct comparison luffy took a ragnarok zoro took a hakai for a bit that was meant to...

he stood over luffy then fell. he was still conscious on the ground. but he acknowledged defeat as far as something similar happens its a legit W for me and a "fake" one otherwise. at the end of the day if the story says he defeated kaido thats all that matters the fandom can spin a fake...

I am keeping the same energy kaido loses if defeat is acknowledged in the story. like with katakuri.

you as a fan can think that at the same time thinking that luffy pummeling kaido into a scrub and zoro beheading near death kaido is a real W.

katakuri got back up still lost .

we saw zoro blocking it the entire time kidd implied it was for a second thats the manga fact. "How is it headcanon when he's literally shown knocked out with Kaido contemplating on how to kill him. With Zoro interrupting Kaido in order to prevent that" yeah ad kaido thinks he will be...

wym nope defeat doesnt mean you never get back up its acknowledging you lost.

why not he isnt killing him. as long as kaido acknowledges defeat thats all we need to know like katakuri

luffy will get back up and win as he always does only a delusional person would think its smooth sailing from here .

yeah zoro went from blocking the attack law motioned his hands and did fuck all and zoro magically ended up right next to law. ..... again short time frame you guys act like thats an hr how long is the time frame from taking down big mom - a couple pages to this moment at best a couple...

taking it for a second * this is quite pointless for a short amount of time can be quantified however anyone wants which is what momentarily means thats exactly how long luffy was out for . he isnt out of the fight, he can keep going == he hasnt reached the capof his endurance whether kaido...

too many if's in that like if law didnt teleport zoro technically he's dead too. purpose of bringing out apoo is getting knocked out momentarily is not how far your endurance goes.

guess he also capped at the apoo attack if we are being consistent since you just have to get knocked out . difference is here zoro confirmed himself he is done luffy at the end of the chap looks like he is just getting started. granted luffy didnt take hakai for a second but not seeing...

"It matters because it shows that Luffy wasn't prepared to take the attack." preparation would require him doing things to block, negate or avoid the attack altogether that wouldnt prove his endurance suprise attacks are still part of endurance i.e your ability to go on after that suprise...

"Apoo moment isn't current and was a surprise hit" and that matters to endurance cause? where in the definition of endurance does a surprise hit come into play . "Being knocked out for a chapter isn't "momentarily"" want to act like a lot of time passed ? big mom didnt reach the ground...

yeah I mean momentarily being knocked out is proof of your endurance ...... lets forget luffy is backup and barely looks like he took anything . better yet why dont you use the apoo moment as proof .

Not really but whatever helps you cope with the fact he's heading downstairs now