Yes, kaido even said that they weren't relying on guts alone to win
tact and slam gibson are just that strong
that being said they obviously aren't as strong as advanced haki attacks
Roc has nothing to do with ACoC
rather Roc is G2+G3
it’s why red roc used flames like red hawk. It’s also why we see steam coming from Luffy’s body when he used those techniques this chapter
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