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This is the thing though - from a moral perspective it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. I just find it bizarre that the unborn take precedent over others.

Before I answer I'd like to understand why this question is relevant to the fact pregnancies can sometimes take as long as 2.5 months before any symptoms or physical changes to the body occur?

Sorry, forgive me, I'm only deranged according to our resident psychologist :steef::steef::steef::steef::steef: 1656531880 Pregnancies aren't always apparent after 6 weeks either You should at least know that much boldened is ironic

@Ravagerblade fetishises this, because 'life's hard' - amazing stuff really

And apparently I'm 'deranged' for holding strong views on something that indirectly confirms my own existence. These people are crazy 1656530576 brother thinks battledome is a qualification - but i'm deranged, okay.

What did I misrepresent? Please enlighten me oh wise one

I'm using questions to pick apart your 'argument' - what's wrong with that? I take lack of responses on those queries to be admission of having not actually thought this through. 1656530160 missing the point in extraordinary fashion. Well done.

I have. Which is why I hold the views that I do. I wonder if anyone else here has any first hand experience? My grandmother also had to have an abortion to save her life during her first pregnancy. Without abortions I would not be alive and living the life that I currently have. Again I...

Several things to unpack here: 1. 'Not wanting it' is ultimately, in summary, 100% of abortions. There is far more nuance to it than that. 2. Life is hard no matter what - even elites have their trials and tribulations, correct, but not everybody spends their childhood in poverty, or with...

Most reasons for getting an abortion are valid. Over 96% are because the mother does not want a child/cannot afford to raise a child - consequences for the child are enormous if forced to be born, which is in and of itself immoral to force a child to endure suffering. Do you at the very least...

Thing is if most pro-lifers were like that and respected freedom of choice we wouldn't be seeing these kinds of discussions going on over 47 pages... was funny though!

Information dump does not equate to meltdown. These false equivalences you keep deriving are really frustrating and asinine. When did I equate abortion to sitting down? You referring to the floating thing? Au contraire - this was, as i already explained (and shouldn't have to explain in the...

Strike one. Again that is not my point to begin with. Strike two. Sentience is the key distinguisher for many between what qualifies and does not qualify as a living human baby. I apologise for tailoring my points to the arguments that are often thrown around I guess? This isn't about the...

deranged because I am angry about the fact people are okay with sending people (women) to death but not okay with sending people (reaaaaaaallly stretching the definition of a person) to "death? most of whom that share this view do not consider any consequences or implications. The problem...

What is extreme about my post? All I had done is: 1. pointed out the logic doesn't slide if you apply it to other situations 2. provided a source and research from one of the biggest sexual health institutes in the world that show banning abortion is counterintuitive 3. pointed out that if it...

Yes I did. Do you eat eggs by any chance? Care to respond to anything else I said or are we being selective so as to attempt to undermine a post you know you cannot rebut?

Except they aren't alive until they are born and have no sense of pain until the third trimester, which was the previous limitation on abortions in the US and where most countries with legal abortions draw the line anyway. There's a difference between aborting a 6 month old foetus and a 2 week...

No. It isn't. It's about SO MUCH MORE than that - see my long post on page 45.

No it's genuine fact. In the majority of countries where abortion is illegal, this remains the case in all circumstances with no nuance regarding how the pregnancy came to be, or whether it might save the woman's life. There are medical conditions that are un-treatable without abortions being...

Or genuinely (none of this 'muh clump of cells need to live crap, these are bonafide living humans at this point) murdered during bouts of post-partum psychosis which is far more common when women give birth to children as the product of incest or rape. Might as well ban women as well while...