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40% think that they might be on Tobi Roppo level. Not exactly a high number, given the fact that OP stans always tend to vastly overestimate the strength of certain characters. 60% think they're below the Tobi Roppo, which is the only logical conclusion we can draw as of right now. As random...

As of right now? Yes, zero doubt they lose to Oven or PageOne in my opinion.

You're still overestimating them. Yes, they have a high growth rate, but people tend to blow that out of proportions. Remember when we saw them being able to use Rokushiki pre-skip? They still were complete fodder to hakiless Luffy and Zoro. Those two didn't even try and one-shotted them with...

No, not at all. I wouldn't even call them fodder now. They just aren't in the league of really strong fighters like Shichibukai, Vice Admirals or Yonkou Commanders (what some fans want them to be). I think they could be around Tobi Roppo level at the end of the series and then we see Coby...

Ehm ... you realize that he wasn't sent alone? He wasn't even in charge of that attack. He was only part of a huge fleet, probably led by Fujitora.

Pre-timeskip Smoker at the very best - and that's being very, very generous. You guys are MASSIVELY overrating both of them. Even Smoker, who was way stronger than both of them and had a significant growth himself (learning CoA and CoA, being promoted to VA etc.) is clearly not in the league...