Chapter Discussion A clearer picture

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#1
Many people were thinking that oden was stronger and that kaido using the hostage as a plot but:

-the plot seems to obviously be orochis and he was even sending people as offerings for kaido as experiments or for killing as he said?( Dunno why you would kill valuable workforce but whatever). Then an enraged oden tried to attack orochi again and kaido blocked him and there was a clash of CoC it seems. That shows us they were kinda evenly matched back then.
-If you reread chapter 970 he never said they would lose, he said that it would be a difficult battle if they fought then since he had less men overall. And if Oden rallied the samurai and hyogoro to his cause it wouldve been a lot more trouble.
-Seems to me like at the start of the war kaido was underestimating oden. Maybe because he was never hurt before or because he gauged his strength when they clashed. Oden proved him wrong by hitting him in his dragon form and injuring him greatly. When kaido fell down and oden was going in he said : Never come back to wano!. Those are not the words someone says to someone they believe they are about to kill.
-Furthering the fact that i believe ( and maybe im wrong) ,that since we saw him get up and cover the distance between him and oden and club him within the second it took for oden to turn around and look at momo,that he may very well have blocked that hit with his club. This chapter reinforces the idea since before we just got the impression that kaido was outmatched but it appears not to be the case. This only furthers the fact that his dragon form is the least maneuverable and weakest in 1vs1 combat.
-Now being as injured as he was and considering it was war, of course he would take advantage of oden's distracted state to strike him down. There is no use dragging the fight down to an honorable combat when he can end it right there with the least casualties and risking even more injury/death. Especially considering that he would start the real fight way more injured than Oden.
What do you guys think? Im open to any form of discussion!
 

Bogard

You can't win
#2
> Oden and Kaido clashed before, and Kaido agreed with Orochi thinking they were at a disadvantage, yet couldn't take out Oden at that time when he was all alone against them, and decided to go with Orochi's plan to use the hostages to avoid him

> Prepared a spy in Oden's group to catch their numbers and movements, yet still came with an army to face 10 people



> B-but despite all these preparations, Oden's real strength still surpassed his imagination and was about to kill him before another hostage fake out






So yes, fanbases aside, while looking at the way Oda portrayed this fight, it's pretty clear it was meant to say Oden was superior
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#3
> Oden and Kaido clashed before, and Kaido agreed with Orochi thinking they were at a disadvantage, yet couldn't take out Oden at that time when he was all alone against them, and decided to go with Orochi's plan to use the hostages to avoid him

> Prepared a spy in Oden's group to catch their numbers and movements, yet still came with an army to face 10 people



> B-but despite all these preparations, Oden's real strength still surpassed his imagination and was about to kill him before another hostage fake out






So yes, fanbases aside, while looking at the way Oda portrayed this fight, it's pretty clear it was meant to say Oden was superior
Nothing you said goes against what I said? They used the hostage thing to let them build enough strength to deal with oden and ruin his reputation. They clashed evenly and it seemed like kaido was holding him off while orochi was telling him his proposal. Oden was litteraly turning his back to orochi and fighting kaido.
All this proves is that kaido ,as I said, underestimated oden and assumed that since they were equally matched in his human form that being in dragon form is fine. Especially since he was never harmed before. So, oden jumps him and cuts him down. That part was known since before this flashback. I don’t want to repeat the rest of what I said. But it follows.
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I really want to start a conversation here, would it be at all possible for people to let go of their bias and just have a fun dialogue?
 
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