Powers & Abilities A Fundamental Flaw in Moria's Ability

[Tapioca]

Hi Worstgen,

I just wanted to point out that Moria has a limit when it comes to the types of zombies he can control.
- Basically, he can't really control zombies that are too willful. For example, when he made Oars, he told him that he would make Oars a subordinate, but Oars replied, "Subordinate? Forget it. I have a dream."

At the time, Oars was just a shadow copy of Luffy, and Luffy's bounty wasn't worth much. So, he couldn't even control a half-assed Luffy shadow.

Imagine if he had somehow gotten hold of someone else's shadow like Crocodile... he wouldn't be able to control it.

 

[Yoho]

True you have a point i think his fruit will go better with someone with a strong sense of Will

 

[style]

Hi Worstgen,

I just wanted to point out that Moria has a limit when it comes to the types of zombies he can control.
- Basically, he can't really control zombies that are too willful. For example, when he made Oars, he told him that he would make Oars a subordinate, but Oars replied, "Subordinate? Forget it. I have a dream."

At the time, Oars was just a shadow copy of Luffy, and Luffy's bounty wasn't worth much. So, he couldn't even control a half-assed Luffy shadow.

Imagine if he had somehow gotten hold of someone else's shadow like Crocodile... he wouldn't be able to control it.

no he can do it, but it requires some time ofcourse.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Hi Worstgen,

I just wanted to point out that Moria has a limit when it comes to the types of zombies he can control.
- Basically, he can't really control zombies that are too willful. For example, when he made Oars, he told him that he would make Oars a subordinate, but Oars replied, "Subordinate? Forget it. I have a dream."

At the time, Oars was just a shadow copy of Luffy, and Luffy's bounty wasn't worth much. So, he couldn't even control a half-assed Luffy shadow.

Imagine if he had somehow gotten hold of someone else's shadow like Crocodile... he wouldn't be able to control it.

Crocodile shadow probably would have been easier than Luffy's.

But yeah. Any competant commanders or above would be trouble for Moria. Their shadows probably just straight up kill moria.

 

[Cruxroux]

Point is Crocodile beats Moria even before he tries anything funny so this is useless.

 

[Tapioca]

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Point is Crocodile beats Moria even before he tries anything funny so this is useless.

No it's not there's an opportunity something happens where Crocodile is unconscious and Moria didn't do it

 

[Herrera95]

You made a good point yet you talked shit. Luffy has CoC. Crocodile doesn't.

 

[Salah WG]

Nope, it was explained that Shadows take some time before They become fully submissive to Moria
He can Control any Shadow

 

[Tapioca]

Nope, it was explained that Shadows take some time before They become fully submissive to Moria
He can Control any Shadow

In other words, shadows with a strong will would kill Moriah before they become fully submissive

 

[Salah WG]

In other words, shadows with a strong will would kill Moriah before they become fully submissive

First of all, that only happens when there is big difference between Size of Shadow & Size of Body
Such as Luffy's Shadow being put in Oars Huge Body or Sanji's in Inuppe's Small Body

Secondly, it's very short time before They become Fully Obedient

Thirdly, even if there is 0.1% Chance that They might try to Fight Moria, He can still remove their Shadow & do whatever He wants with it (Such as Absorbing it himself)

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Adding shadows to Zombies is actually a creative ability Moriah and Dr Hogback created. That isn't the primary use of the fruit. Not every user would ever go down that path. The primary use is to take shadows (KOs) Opponent, and Absorb Shadows which makes the shadow user power up significantly somewhat.

So yea the zombie thing application has fundamental flow when used by a weak shadow fruit user but that isn't a natural use of the fruit to begin with. Probably 7 out of 10 users wouldn't go down that route. The zombie thing is probably a consequence of Moriah's and Hogback traumas

This actually brings up questions about how different the same fruit could be used by different people.

 

[Tapioca]

Adding shadows to Zombies is actually a creative ability Moriah and Dr Hogback created. That isn't the primary use of the fruit. Not every user would ever go down that path. The primary use is to take shadows (KOs) Opponent, and Absorb Shadows which makes the shadow user power up significantly somewhat.

So yea the zombie thing application has fundamental flow when used by a weak shadow fruit user but that isn't a natural use of the fruit to begin with. Probably 7 out of 10 users wouldn't go down that route. The zombie thing is probably a consequence of Moriah's and Hogback traumas

This actually brings up questions about how different the same fruit could be used by different people.

Very well thought out