I've read average manga that shits on 95% of books.
Truth is that best industry never existed. You can go to any book store and only 10% there could be called great. But same thing goes with manga.
At the end Books and Manga > any adaptations could that be anime or movie, or even live action films.
But truth is that sometime some adaptation could be famous and became in some terms better then original.
But if you want to compare manga with book, manga is next step from the books for the obvious reason. Instead of imagine characters, different places you could see them. Characters feelings, emotions could be showed in manga panels without any words. The black and white tune helps to show shades, to feel what character feel. So if the art is realistic and give you that, it is obvious much better then any book. More to that manga could have different styles, from gothic style(D.GrayMan), to some post modern style (Jojo adventerous). More to that mangaka style always adjust to reflects on conflicts of characters or story that he or she writing about. For example D.GrayMan author started to write her chatacter in more detelaized style, because the story became to intense for characters to let them stay same. So when her story was progressing farther in plot and break the line of normal shonen, her drawing became even more gothic. Any manga panels of her story became the real art, where she effectively nuanced her style with deep dark tones and faded white hues, shades. With that she also started to draw characters with heavier detail eyes, hair thinner line and even more screen tones, which made everything look more deep and realistic. She took some part from shojo style manga to spread, convey emotions of characters without telling us with words. Case art is more then enough to show deep feelings of despair, of lie, of hope then using words.
But truth is that not every manga have all that. Sometime manga that should be in garbage can is more popular then some really deep manga, with fantastic art style, case shonen manga should always be chilling and not serious. While deep manga could be never get anime adaptation and never became so popular. More to that drawing arts is not something that simple as just writing sentences. Ofc it always depends...case for some mangaka to write a novel would even more harder then to draw a real artwork.
But truth is that it is Art and you can't downplay whole that hard work, with your stupidity and foolishness.
Now I'm going to share just random art from that manga last chapter, to show you how you was wrong:
Why did you ping/@ me. Your little tangent here had nothing to do with me but rather some guy who thinks books are better when the lack the visual presentation and sound design had by anime.
Manga is just anime without sound design or animation just a inferior product from a objective point of view however you can dislike that but facts dont change just cause your feelings are different to them
Based on nothing, Anime has more to offer in the same scene then manga does due to voice acting and other such things mentioned, You repeating what other manga fans have said here does by no means change my point had.
I could say anime is better then manga but without any given reason or evidence, I have no point but that's what you dont get like you can say but more agree with you but when your on a manga centric site that means next to nothing.
Anyways my point here being just saying a position does not mean it's right or even logical. You need reasons for things else im not taking you seriously. I would hope others would expect some amount of proof or justification for me aswell but you dont to see it that way apparently.
The fact, I made this point about manga fans feeling not arguing a day ago just for you to do exactly that just shows how hive minded that the fandom would really be.
You just like manga and hate anime like you no evidence to suggest it's more childish and infact the evidence suggests otherwise with the manga looking like a two yr old made it versus the anime looking professional but do keep making assertions without proper reason goes to show how manga fans cant argue but rather can only feel
Not every anime originates from a manga. Sword art online does not nor does overlord
You manga fans think you are the center of everything, it's quite egotistical however in any case just because something would be adaption would not mean that it cant better then the source material. That's just a assumption and it's proven wrong time and time again with the one punch man anime and manga looking far better then the web comic which they both were adapted from.
The manga fanbase may like manga far more but that does not change the objective quality of art or a story but if you think art is subjective then i'll gladly just say caiou and thomas the train are as artistically superior to something like panty & stocking with ganderbelt.
Fact of the matter being, Anime has better shading and even detail in some cases then it's manga counterpart like take evangelion as a example of that.
Yea that same goes for anime too, It's highlighted by somber music or tense music to fit whatever that the scene would be doing. Anime can effectively showcase emotions with sound design and coloring allowing for more distinct visual signals for tone indication like having darker shades used for more sad or serious scenes versus lighter colors for less serious scenes
Why did you ping/@ me. Your little tangent here had nothing to do with me but rather some guy who thinks books are better when the lack the visual presentation and sound design had by anime.
Manga is just anime without sound design or animation just a inferior product from a objective point of view however you can dislike that but facts dont change just cause your feelings are different to them
Based on nothing, Anime has more to offer in the same scene then manga does due to voice acting and other such things mentioned, You repeating what other manga fans have said here does by no means change my point had.
I could say anime is better then manga but without any given reason or evidence, I have no point but that's what you dont get like you can say but more agree with you but when your on a manga centric site that means next to nothing.
Anyways my point here being just saying a position does not mean it's right or even logical. You need reasons for things else im not taking you seriously. I would hope others would expect some amount of proof or justification for me aswell but you dont to see it that way apparently.
Not every anime originates from a manga. Sword art online does not nor does overlord
You manga fans think you are the center of everything, it's quite egotistical however in any case just because something would be adaption would not mean that it cant better then the source material. That's just a assumption and it's proven wrong time and time again with the one punch man anime and manga looking far better then the web comic which they both were adapted from.
The manga fanbase may like manga far more but that does not change the objective quality of art or a story but if you think art is subjective then i'll gladly just say caiou and thomas the train are as artistically superior to something like panty & stocking with ganderbelt.
Fact of the matter being, Anime has better shading and even detail in some cases then it's manga counterpart like take evangelion as a example of that.
Yea that same goes for anime too, It's highly highlighted by somber music or tense music to fit whatever that the scene would be doing. Anime can effectively showcase emotions with sound design and coloring allowing for more distinct visual signals for tone indication like having darker shades used for more sad or serious scenes versus lighter colors for less serious scenes
I think that I can't agree with you with everything that you stated, but I believe that one day anime adaptations as well as book adaptations will became more correct. But ahh this is not what really happening right now. Instead of moving forward to made adaptation of anime or manga more correct, it goes different way. For example we will soon get show House of Dragons, where we will get black targarien, or in anime instead of correct adaptations some producers add fanservice in anime that shouldn't have. Showing boobs, vagina or other things right now became more popular. So that is not right way how you should make any adaptation.
So...it appears in the end thay things like that which was added by producer ruin whole point of manga or book adaptations.
Also I agree with you that sometime anime could be better then manga, or don't have real source like manga. For example legendary Evangelion 1995-1997 10 of 10 masterpiece, that shits on new Evangelion based on manga, that could be rated like 6 or 7 of 10.
But that's it.
The problem with manga fanboys would be they have a high emotional inclination to the viewpoints had by their group and they seem to value these points over everything which makes discussion with these sort of people more akin to talking to a child as their biases prevent them engaging in discourse in a manner that adults should be able to do.
I set forth arguments had and none of your group has really attempted to talk with me about the points had because you people talk at me not to me which shows that you cannot see the other side of the position meaning in other words, You have no empathy as the only people who have none are those who cant put themselves in other shoes
I think that I can't agree with you with everything that you stated, but I believe that one day anime adaptations as well as book adaptations will became more correct.
Accuracy to the source does not matter for the most part, it's quality and if something has merit then it should be praised as having such. Following akin to another project does not warrant quality or worth especially if the original was pretty bad. It's kinda impossible for anime adaptions to ever be accurate to the manga and you fanboys just have to get over that as a picture centric medium would not work in a medium needed for it's flow and movement. You can have vast time happened between a panel versus a anime where one scene needs to flow to the next.
Anime is just made differently to the point where you cant get the same sort of experience.
For example we will soon get show House of Dragons, where we will get black targarien, or in anime instead of correct adaptations some producers add fanservice in anime that shouldn't have
Alot of anime have fan service, it's just a staple of the medium really much like the beach episode or the trap character
I dont see why fan service is a big deal in most shows, Akame ga kill as a example have leone who's portrayed as lustrous from the 1st episode or something like owari no seraph which krul tepes dancing in the op. The literal first thing that you see in a anime
That's false, It's always been a thing like 90s berserk anime highly sexualized casca and slan. The literal only two female characters of note in the show.
I could name more examples like cowboy bebop faye be sexuslized as she would be. With digimon having angewoman be as sexy as she would be. Anime has always been perverse and you not being a fan does not change that fact.
Literally just do not talk about anime as you know nothing about it and you making yourself look like a fool like you do know that there are tons of yuri hentai that was made in the 90s and even 80s as far as im aware. You dont like the medium and you clearly do not know much about it so why are you making these comments.
You should think before you say something not only that but why do you wish to comment about a sphere of fiction which you have hatred for.
Dont say something if you dont know about it. It's fine that you dont know about anime but commenting and misinforming people does not do any good for you just say you dont about anime and there could be some error in my judgement. I dont know anything about manga hence why you dont see me acting as if i know everything about it. I dont pretend to know or like things if i dont unlike you evidently who both pretends to like anime and know about it despite something so laughbly stupid as anime only became sexual like were your eyes shut when watching dragon ball because the first episodes had shots of bulma's panties and goku's stick
Also I agree with you that sometime anime could be better then manga, or don't have real source like manga. For example legendary Evangelion 1995-1997 10 of 10 masterpiece, that shits on new Evangelion based on manga, that could be rated like 6 or 7 of 10.
Yea the 90s evangelion would be the best. I think the slice of bits in the rebuild movies were really good though.
There are some issues with the anime but overall it explains most of it's plots enough so that you could understand what would be ongoing versus the rebuild films where 99 percent of time there is no understanding of anything going on like what was ongoing when mari and misato were fighting those random robots who knows nor does the story.
The manga follows the anime pretty well with the lore staying largely intact with the angels still being adam's kids and the cause of the second impact still being the same. The rebuild films however follow their own lore with some random figures causing the second impact rather then adam
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Also why does every discussion on anime have to then get brought into manga like you can be talking about say akira and some guy will bring up manga like can you guys not take your medium not having center stage. Are you like attention seekers who just wish to make everything about you because that's how it looks as of right now.
It also has to do with you guys not knowing anything about anime beyond filler existing so all you can really say about anime threads would just be lol filler even if the show was originally just a anime. You guys shouldt comment if you have nothing to contribute to the discussion not only that but everything does not have to make you manga fans happy as there are more people then just you salty spiteful nerds
You came into a thread about anime being the best medium and you honestly think somebody with a clear interest in anime would see canon as correct when the target of you manga fans would be my exact position
I dont get like how devaluing and speaking ill of something that alot more people like really brings people into manga, Your marketing tactic needs work like shiting on the more popular medium just makes you come off as salty that the naruto manga has less reactions and comments on manga sites then a more minor anime like date a live has within it's anime chat like there's a reason why things like kiss anime are targeted versus manga panda. It's just that anime brings more money and attention then anyone manga can and you can stay salty about anime being successful as your campaign while it has changed the majority's opinions however it has not changed their buying practices so us anime fans have won over you manga fans where it matters financially.
Filler is just anything not in the manga. I dont really care if something would not be in a manga as im not interested in manga and could care less what story lines take place inside of it.
Also naruto has included these same omg evil bad fillers in it's manga as has dbz with naruto adding raiga to the manga who was originally an anime only character and dragon ball adding south kai who was originally just anime only aswell.
Canon has never been a objective thing or an actual argument but rather the ploy of anime haters who are salty that their medium does not get as much attention or money as manga does. You think it's just circumstance that the same people who de cry filler are the same ones who also say they hate anime and love manga no rather that's your group's true colors and you dont have to hide that as you dont have somebody holding you to a flame say for me
Typically it's just the same scenes with just better visuals and sound design to boot. Anime is just a objectively better medium then manga but your free to your own tastes however you cant really debunk the argument of it being better as you yourself kinda conceded to within the first paragraph.
Anime also often has better plot as it explore ideas beyond what the manga presented like take naruto shippuden where we get additional backstory on say kakashi and his days serving as a anbu black ops member though you sometimes get stupid stuff like the ostrich ninja but that's the minority of anime content really with manga fans just over exaggerating the degree of slap stick in the anime to show how bad naruto as a anime would be ignoring that part 1 naruto in manga had way stupider and goofier slap stick humor with naruto darting in kiba's face and using sexy jutsu on men causing them to comedically bleed from their noses but of course slap stick humor is only fine when the manga does but when the anime does it then it's evil and really tabuu but guess you can afford to be biased when your the majority view point
You just like manga and hate anime like you no evidence to suggest it's more childish and infact the evidence suggests otherwise with the manga looking like a two yr old made it versus the anime looking professional but do keep making assertions without proper reason goes to show how manga fans cant argue but rather can only feel
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If you watched eva then do tell what is rei, I doubt you know as you manga fans only like manga as if that was not obvious.
I only like anime and could never get into manga not just because it's a inferior product but i have a hatred for the fanbase surrounding it plus doing as manga fans want does not interest when not one of them would ever give anime a chance. It's a very my side versus you guys thing so yea never reading manga so you can majorly thank yourselves for that
Hit the breaks dude. It is true that generally I like manga way more than anime, for stuff like OP I don't even consider the anime because it is just the manga stretched with useless stuff to last for an entire anime episode, even if there are animes I like/love (Evangelion, Gurren Lagann, old HxH) yet I don't give a damn if you or anybody else like more to watch this or that media. It is your choice and I'm totally fine with it, go figure if I come here to "market" something. Watch what you want, these are just my 2 cents on the matter.
Then about the canon / non canon that is something you can care about it or not. I do "care" about it. In stuff like OP the anime comes later, sure it can be a way better medium (it has video instead of images, colors, sounds, voice acting and so on) but at this point I stuck with the manga because that is the medium Oda works on. You there can find stuff like the "moon phases" theory (that was true in early OP at least), the battle panels that are drawn in a certain way to show the trend of a fight etc. And then of course there are anime only series which are great.
Even that horrible panel of HxH you posted has a story. Everytime the quality of the manga in HxH started to become shit you knew another hiatus was around the corner, the last time it happened instead of crappy art this time Togashi delivered wall texts lol. And what is astounding is that even with that crappy art Togashi sold like hot cakes. You see, there can be love even for manga and his little details, you should try it, maybe you could even like it.
Anyway I think you should be a bit more open with opinions different from yours, I didn't even come here trolling but to post what I think about this topic, it wasn't even a criticsm in the end. Either way good luck with your thread.
Dude, Just before that guy commented another user by the name of Konstantis commented and he had pretty well the exact same takes on everything so it's not like this guy has a different opinion to offer. He literally just has the consensus position on the matter like what are on about here?
I never said somebody couldt state their opinion, At the worse there was me saying dont talk about anime as your not knowledgeable about the matter and if that's what you mean here then i'll tell you the same thing. Think before you talk and if you dont about a matter then dont speak upon it.
If you mean the anime was just now sexual thing then that was just blatantly wrong
It's just my opinion but I have read more good mangas as I watched good animes. Most animes have the usual flaws like low budget or butchered story for the purpose of pure cash greed (Nanatsu no Taizai, Tokyo Ghoul or Promised Neverland for example). Some Animes like Magi never get another season and the fans are forced to read the manga or the novels.
And then there are Animes like Puella Magi Madoka who are equal to the Manga/Novels or even better because of the soundtrack.
I don't see any format superior to the others. All have their down and upsides.
And that was obvious given the positions that you hold.
Anyways my problem was more with your positions rather then your interests as your group and you likely by proxy have ranted and raved whenever somebody so much made a thread topic about anime. I dont personally care that you like manga more but you should respect others preferences however you dont as you just want the world in a bottle.
I would have to watch it to say for certain, I wouldt trust your word on this matter given your emotional inclination to manga
Never watched one piece so will not make any comment on the matter as im knowledgeable about the subject matter. I would suggest you do the same with anime and try watching something before making some uneducated comment as the other guy with the same belief as you did.
If that was true then some person wouldt bring up the subject matter of manga in a related context to prove some point in every thread about anime. You guys clearly do care if people watch or discuss about anime as every time you change the subject matter to something else to fit within your interests
sure it can be a way better medium (it has video instead of images, colors, sounds, voice acting and so on) but at this point I stuck with the manga because that is the medium Oda works on.
So you understand that the anime would be better quality wise good, That's fine.
You can like bad or inferior products, I mean im a big fan of dragon ball,digimon and naruto so im but the same afterall what you personally will not always be the same with what's good as people have personal likes and that's perfectly understable
Even that horrible panel of HxH you posted has a story. Everytime the quality of the manga in HxH started to become shit you knew another hiatus was around the corne
I mean, I get he needs breaks and what not with it being tiring but for me. It passing some purity test does not matter but rather the quality of the work had and im not going to sit though an objectively worse version of another product as im wanting the better experience and if your group hates me for watching the 2011 anime rather then reading the manga then so be it. I am used to it, I get it enough with naruto manga fans.
Manga just has a very unforgiving fanbase and it's they are like twiiter puritans with even slight difference in interest or opinions being looked down upon. It's just easier to pick up and watch an anime also people wont rant and rave at me if so much to dare like the devil's product the anime.
It's just my opinion but I have read more good mangas as I watched good animes. Most animes have the usual flaws like low budget or butchered story for the purpose of pure cash greed (Nanatsu no Taizai, Tokyo Ghoul or Promised Neverland for example). Some Animes like Magi never get another season and the fans are forced to read the manga or the novels.
And then there are Animes like Puella Magi Madoka who are equal to the Manga/Novels or even better because of the soundtrack.
I don't see any format superior to the others. All have their down and upsides.
I personally judge depending on which side is canon and which is not which for me is very important as well as which between anime and manga better represents the series assuming both are canon according to my personal preferences but also objective parameters when possible. For instance Dragon Ball sounds much better in the anime for me because of the elements / the nature of the series.
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