Questions & Mysteries Are Black blades the defacto Badge of the Strongest swordsman?

[ImmaIvanoM]

In Monsters Ryuma is the King of All swordsmen. The strongest swordsman on the planet... He made a black blade

In One piece Mihawk is definitively the only man who has been called Strongest swordsman in the history of the show and story... He made a black blade

Zoro is the only person in the story who we know for a fact will become the Stronger swordsman on the planet... He is also the only person who has been mentioned or foreshadowed to make black blade

Are you noticing a pattern here?

Whether we don't know the exact mechanics of how Black blades are formed or what they imply in terms of strength, it's certainly no coincidence the only three people associated with them are the Strongest Swordsmen on the planet.

That's why i think Black blades are Oda's defining badge of sorts for the person who is Strongest swordsman.

 

[Just a member]

We can even say that black blades are not only the badge of the strongest swordsman but the tag of the strongest swordsman in OP history. There should have been lots of WSS in the last centuries/millennia yet we have, as far as we know, knowledge about only 2 black blades so far.

 

[HA001]

Yeah only the wss has them. If they lose their sword is broken and not black.
The only reason ryuma still had his black now is cause he died unbeaten.
But after that the wss was constantly bested till mihawk. When he loses and zoro breaks yoru there will be 4 black blades.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

We can even say that black blades are not only the badge of the strongest swordsman but the tag of the strongest swordsman in OP history. There should have been lots of WSS in the last centuries/millennia yet we have, as far as we know, knowledge about only 2 black blades so far.

See I was thinking about this and I came to a sort of semi-theory

Like outside of speculation Only Mihawk has ever been called WSS in the main series canonically. And thats including the data books that give extra information about people from past generations

Also canonically Mihawk has not in fact fought every single swordsman in the world to be WSS but it's recognize by both yhe world and the narrator of the story that he actually is.

My theory is that there is a feat so rare in the world that whem it happens, it's almost instantaneously indicative of top tier swordsmanship even without having to fight everyone in the world... And that feat is the formation of black blades. I think this is so rare a thing that a person can't even be recognized as contender for WSS without it.

Like at any one time, there was in fact a man who could've been called the WSS but they aren't recognised as such by the world unless they Make a black blade since thats one of the highest level abilities of a swordsman.... And if that person who is the strongest swordsman doesn't have a black blade, it just means he's not a strong as the swordsmen who actually made a black blade and he is therefore unrecognized as a contender for the title in the world.

Basically it's possible that Since Ryuma died like 400 years ago, there was in fact a man who could've been the actual Strongest swordsman in the world but he just wasn't as strong as Ryuma since he failed to make as black blade so the world failed to recognise that he was at that moment in time the strongest swordsman. Until Mihawk did it and that point a feat so rare has been achieved by a swordsman that of there's no other man in the world who has achieved it then thehey aren't even contenders... Mihawk becomes WSS since he's literally the only contender for the title

That's my theory

Post automatically merged: Nov 26, 2019

eah only the wss has them. If they lose their sword is broken and not black.

Now you are adding extra layers that seem unnecessary

 

[Red Admiral]

yes and no

most likely all the best swordsman have that as a mark to be self prove for their worth

but they need to fight and beat any other man who claim the title


I guess the both are needed but the former is more important than latter

 

[Finalbeta]

Maybe

I wonder if it is so rare to make them that way

 

[Monster trio]

I think that its something related to haki proficiency and sword mastery , swords are shown to have characters and the strongest of them need to be tamed first whether they are black or white but
its also possible that its related the master and the sword becoming one or something like that , but it definitely have nothing to do with pure strength or a title that can be claimed because even 100s of years after ryuma died his sword is still black so its definitely not a strength proving ability

 

[HA001]

I think that its something related to haki proficiency and sword mastery , swords are shown to have characters and the strongest of them need to be tamed first whether they are black or white but
its also possible that its related the master and the sword becoming one or something like that , but it definitely have nothing to do with pure strength or a title that can be claimed because even 100s of years after ryuma died his sword is still black so its definitely not a strength proving ability

Ryuma died unbeaten.

 

[MasterD]

Personally I don't think so, because as it was stated all blades can become one after it is used in many battles and it gates tainted with the users haki. So if you clash many times it will slowly become one this doesn't make one automatically the best, it will only be a beige that shows that the user is a veteran that has been in many batteles so he or she should be respected

 

[Monster trio]

Ryuma died unbeaten.

he is dead but his effect on the sword still exists so its definitely not a regular haki technique , there has to be something that keeps this going because it almost as if the sword itself inherited the swordsman will .

btw what does him being unbeaten have anything to do with anything in the world ? lol

not to mention that if some people like Zoro and Kaido got beaten at one point then i seriously doubt that he died unbeaten .

Post automatically merged: Nov 28, 2019

Personally I don't think so, because as it was stated all blades can become one after it is used in many battles and it gates tainted with the users haki. So if you clash many times it will slowly become one this doesn't make one automatically the best, it will only be a beige that shows that the user is a veteran that has been in many batteles so he or she should be respected

shanks's sword and whitebeard's blade prove that its not that simple

 

[HA001]

See I was thinking about this and I came to a sort of semi-theory

Like outside of speculation Only Mihawk has ever been called WSS in the main series canonically. And thats including the data books that give extra information about people from past generations

Also canonically Mihawk has not in fact fought every single swordsman in the world to be WSS but it's recognize by both yhe world and the narrator of the story that he actually is.

My theory is that there is a feat so rare in the world that whem it happens, it's almost instantaneously indicative of top tier swordsmanship even without having to fight everyone in the world... And that feat is the formation of black blades. I think this is so rare a thing that a person can't even be recognized as contender for WSS without it.

Like at any one time, there was in fact a man who could've been called the WSS but they aren't recognised as such by the world unless they Make a black blade since thats one of the highest level abilities of a swordsman.... And if that person who is the strongest swordsman doesn't have a black blade, it just means he's not a strong as the swordsmen who actually made a black blade and he is therefore unrecognized as a contender for the title in the world.

Basically it's possible that Since Ryuma died like 400 years ago, there was in fact a man who could've been the actual Strongest swordsman in the world but he just wasn't as strong as Ryuma since he failed to make as black blade so the world failed to recognise that he was at that moment in time the strongest swordsman. Until Mihawk did it and that point a feat so rare has been achieved by a swordsman that of there's no other man in the world who has achieved it then thehey aren't even contenders... Mihawk becomes WSS since he's literally the only contender for the title

That's my theory

Post automatically merged: Nov 26, 2019

Now you are adding extra layers that seem unnecessary

So ryuma being the only wss in history who never lost seems more unnecessary than there only being 2 wss in history....

 

[MasterD]

he is dead but his effect on the sword still exists so its definitely not a regular haki technique , there has to be something that keeps this going because it almost as if the sword itself inherited the swordsman will .

btw what does him being unbeaten have anything to do with anything in the world ? lol

not to mention that if some people like Zoro and Kaido got beaten at one point then i seriously doubt that he died unbeaten .

Post automatically merged: Nov 28, 2019

shanks's sword and whitebeard's blade prove that its not that simple

Touche,

it probably needs to be imbued with haki every day continuously we saw how emna just takes all the haki with out the will of the user so swords probably assorbe very little if the user does not do it consciously and that would prove very hard

 

[Finalbeta]

I think that its something related to haki proficiency and sword mastery , swords are shown to have characters and the strongest of them need to be tamed first whether they are black or white but
its also possible that its related the master and the sword becoming one or something like that , but it definitely have nothing to do with pure strength or a title that can be claimed because even 100s of years after ryuma died his sword is still black so its definitely not a strength proving ability

I think it's a matter of haki strenght/mastery first and foremost