Speculations Are MEMES The Only Thing Keeping One Piece Alive?
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Oda is definitely mostly about the "hype" and posing panels. He thinks he can waste as much time as he wants as long as he adds those at the end of a chapter. His pacing is garbage, and that's ignoring his many breaks that he doesn't even make an exception for when the magazine has a break. He's very stubborn, "Samurai" about his breaks...
I've always wondered why some of you guys act so cool. You're nerds on a forum exclusive to One Piece. You're a bigger fan than the average person. Let go of your cynicism and accept what you like. If that doesn't make you happy anymore, let it go. But don't try to act cool by talking bad about it on a forum exclusive to One Piece fans.
That's the thing, the response is always a complete lack of logic. What does "accept what you like" mean when one is talking about what one doesn't like... Just because one doesn't drop something, doesn't mean one is happy about everything. And maybe what one likes has little to do with what one doesn't like.
Following OP happens to be a pretty low-effort thing - except for some built-in annoyance. Like a dragging flashback that is scheduled in advance to take a year, within a cliffhanger. The same as on Egghead, and what I can't pretend is anything but one of the worst story structures in the world, especially if it's repeated (just describe the idea to someone, without assuming manic fandom).
Following OP happens to be a pretty low-effort thing - except for some built-in annoyance. Like a dragging flashback that is scheduled in advance to take a year, within a cliffhanger. The same as on Egghead, and what I can't pretend is anything but one of the worst story structures in the world, especially if it's repeated (just describe the idea to someone, without assuming manic fandom).
Well, this is more a matter of logic and some common-sense than "facts". It doesn't necessarily mean it's more easily bowled over than facts.
A cliffhanger demands resolution and satisfaction. It teases. A flashback is often experienced as a distraction, and subordinate to the main story. It also should be resolved efficiently and get to the point, without too much meandering and stretching, so there isn't too much frustration about the main story being left hanging. If the flashback is right in the middle of a cliffhanger, the potential for frustration is increased.
Generally, a flashback being too long can be considered clunky anyway.
Putting a flashback within a cliffhanger is a particularly extreme way to place it, due to how it increases the cliffhanger's tension and potential frustration with the flashback. So a cliffhanger and a flashback should never be combined in their most extreme ways, with the flashback seemingly taking forever, or the whole thing becomes one of the worst possible combinations.
It can be done sensibly, if questions and points raised in the one are directly taken up in the other, ultimately leading to a dramatic release. An idea that Oda seemingly wants to follow, but not only that, he takes the opportunity to tell about everything under the sun and several full lifestories, with everyday goings-on (e.g. so that we see Rocks asking Harald to join basically every chapter), with excitements far between. Within the flashback, he creates further teases, that he puts off until later, with deliberate slowdowns. The pacing is just not good.
Part of the reason is that Oda is obsessed with teasing the readers and putting things off indefinitely. He thinks it's super-aweseome. At some point it just starts sucking - or there is no need to pretend happiness. One can ignore it all with some indifference, or getting totally hung up on the occasional "hype" panels, as mentioned.
A cliffhanger demands resolution and satisfaction. It teases. A flashback is often experienced as a distraction, and subordinate to the main story. It also should be resolved efficiently and get to the point, without too much meandering and stretching, so there isn't too much frustration about the main story being left hanging. If the flashback is right in the middle of a cliffhanger, the potential for frustration is increased.
Generally, a flashback being too long can be considered clunky anyway.
Putting a flashback within a cliffhanger is a particularly extreme way to place it, due to how it increases the cliffhanger's tension and potential frustration with the flashback. So a cliffhanger and a flashback should never be combined in their most extreme ways, with the flashback seemingly taking forever, or the whole thing becomes one of the worst possible combinations.
It can be done sensibly, if questions and points raised in the one are directly taken up in the other, ultimately leading to a dramatic release. An idea that Oda seemingly wants to follow, but not only that, he takes the opportunity to tell about everything under the sun and several full lifestories, with everyday goings-on (e.g. so that we see Rocks asking Harald to join basically every chapter), with excitements far between. Within the flashback, he creates further teases, that he puts off until later, with deliberate slowdowns. The pacing is just not good.
Part of the reason is that Oda is obsessed with teasing the readers and putting things off indefinitely. He thinks it's super-aweseome. At some point it just starts sucking - or there is no need to pretend happiness. One can ignore it all with some indifference, or getting totally hung up on the occasional "hype" panels, as mentioned.
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Ngl heatwave is killing me and I am not in a mood for a huge discussion.
Your points are fair and I can understand that this applies to some people. You are doing some good criticism there and I can feel it, but mostly from a niche like WG for example.
For me things are more black and white and I think that is a solid way to approach this.
Like we can agree that Oda is an experimental author/artist. He is using his story as his own playground too. Sometimes things are a hit, sometimes they are a miss. I personally appreciate Oda for being experimental and unique in that aspect. I am chewing through the one or other miss, so I can appreciate the next hit.
I think such a long running and huge series will not manage to satisfy everyone at every time. But with these types of stories often what matters is the journey with the people.
So yeah, I appreciate everyone who is still dedicated, and people who also criticize without just seeing the "black" in all this mess. lol
Your points are fair and I can understand that this applies to some people. You are doing some good criticism there and I can feel it, but mostly from a niche like WG for example.
For me things are more black and white and I think that is a solid way to approach this.
Like we can agree that Oda is an experimental author/artist. He is using his story as his own playground too. Sometimes things are a hit, sometimes they are a miss. I personally appreciate Oda for being experimental and unique in that aspect. I am chewing through the one or other miss, so I can appreciate the next hit.
I think such a long running and huge series will not manage to satisfy everyone at every time. But with these types of stories often what matters is the journey with the people.
So yeah, I appreciate everyone who is still dedicated, and people who also criticize without just seeing the "black" in all this mess. lol
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