Asta vs Thor (Toaru)
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Thor can keep up with Silvia, one of the top Saints in the series whose > Kanzaki while still not going all out. Kanzaki easily intercepted photon beams when they were just inches away from hitting Touma’s face.
Also want to see how Asta’s anti-magic can be argued against an opponent not even Imagine Breaker could fully negate.
At full power, Thor’s Arc Fusion Blades are one of the few powers in the series too massive for Touma to negate and can only deflect. For an idea, Touma can stop a 40 kilometer size sword of fire that would have wiped out a mountain range of that length and changed the weather as it was being swung down
As the combat specialist of Gremlin and it’s strongest member (after Othinus), Thor is also above the likes of Mjolnir (whose a separate entity) who vaporized over a dozen kilometers of a stone fortress with their Lightning to where not even a trace of dust was left, Loki who nuked an island, and Hel who froze 100 kilometer of the ocean by casually tossing a knife into it.
And finally for Round 2, speed is irrelevant against Almighty Thor
Also want to see how Asta’s anti-magic can be argued against an opponent not even Imagine Breaker could fully negate.
At full power, Thor’s Arc Fusion Blades are one of the few powers in the series too massive for Touma to negate and can only deflect. For an idea, Touma can stop a 40 kilometer size sword of fire that would have wiped out a mountain range of that length and changed the weather as it was being swung down
As the combat specialist of Gremlin and it’s strongest member (after Othinus), Thor is also above the likes of Mjolnir (whose a separate entity) who vaporized over a dozen kilometers of a stone fortress with their Lightning to where not even a trace of dust was left, Loki who nuked an island, and Hel who froze 100 kilometer of the ocean by casually tossing a knife into it.
And finally for Round 2, speed is irrelevant against Almighty Thor
According to a calc on the site that feat is sub relativistic
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DontTalkDT/Index_Beam_Speed_calc
Hence the other scaling having those characters up there. So they are vastly inferior to Asta.
All around according to the scaling site. I haven't read the series so I have no idea and can only go by the scaling, and as such Asta takes it relatively easily.
How come?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DontTalkDT/Index_Beam_Speed_calc
Hence the other scaling having those characters up there. So they are vastly inferior to Asta.
All around according to the scaling site. I haven't read the series so I have no idea and can only go by the scaling, and as such Asta takes it relatively easily.
How come?
Their going by the speed measured of it hitting a satellite in space (assuming the timeframe too) and not the fact that it was a beam of pure photons, making it a light speed attack.
You really need to take VBW with a grain of salt and not treat them as absolute.
Im all caught up with BC and not a single feat in the series by anyone even approaches continent level. And unsurprisingly, VBW wanks them to that level by taking a bunch of unrelated statements together and ignoring context. With the same level of liberties they take, I can get Thor to as much as solar system to universal.
This is an even fight going by feats from both.
As Almighty Thor, he starts using Thor’s origins as a god of agriculture and the earth before he became more famously known as the god of thunder, war, and strength. Also possibly uses the logic that Thor’s mother was a Jotun who was the literal personification of Earth.
With Almighty Thor, he locks the spell on to whoever he currently sees as his opponent to have the entire world automatically shift him to always be in the best position in a fight.
I.e. the world automatically shifts him to avoid anything the opponent hits him with while his attacks are always shifted to land on the opponent, making them unavoidable.
To the opponents perspective, this ability makes Thor look like he’s endlessly teleporting.
Once more emphasized that it takes Othinus’ full power as a Magic God to overcome the Almighty Thor and that not even the likes of Accelerator would be able to harm him.
Only reason Touma could last was because Thor at the time didn’t have Mjolnir and lost all his abilities minus Almighty Thor, leaving him with only the stats of a normal human besides that power.
His right hand feeling a hair's breadth from dismemberment, Kamijou immediately braced it with his left, grabbing his right wrist. A shocking pain erupted on the palm of his right hand. The magic was cutting into his skin...His right hand's ability couldn't keep up, and the beam was edging closer to Kamijou, one milimeter at a time.
its not just the sheer quantity...! Its like every single photon has its own properties!!"
You really need to take VBW with a grain of salt and not treat them as absolute.
Im all caught up with BC and not a single feat in the series by anyone even approaches continent level. And unsurprisingly, VBW wanks them to that level by taking a bunch of unrelated statements together and ignoring context. With the same level of liberties they take, I can get Thor to as much as solar system to universal.
This is an even fight going by feats from both.
As Almighty Thor, he starts using Thor’s origins as a god of agriculture and the earth before he became more famously known as the god of thunder, war, and strength. Also possibly uses the logic that Thor’s mother was a Jotun who was the literal personification of Earth.
With Almighty Thor, he locks the spell on to whoever he currently sees as his opponent to have the entire world automatically shift him to always be in the best position in a fight.
I.e. the world automatically shifts him to avoid anything the opponent hits him with while his attacks are always shifted to land on the opponent, making them unavoidable.
To the opponents perspective, this ability makes Thor look like he’s endlessly teleporting.
What had just happened?
What sort of phenomenon had it been?
“Teleportation?”
“Try to be a little more imaginative.” Thor shook his bloody right hand while smiling. “I’m known as an almighty god right now, y’know? If Othinus hadn’t gouged out her eye, I’d be leading Gremlin. You need to widen your view if you want to talk about me.”
In that moment, Thor was standing over five meters away.
But the next thing Kamijou knew, the boy had grabbed his hair.
As he tried to stand up, he was slammed back to the snow.
Thor’s heel dropped on his chest and his gut again and again. He repeatedly applied pressure to Kamijou’s organs as casually as crushing an empty can.
“Gah…fh!!”
Kamijou tried his best to reach out his arm while all the oxygen was forced from his lungs. He tried to grab at Thor’s ankle.
Thor vanished again.
He was about one meter above and he gathered his feet to crush Kamijou’s gut with his full weight.
An unpleasant noise came from his body.
“Bgh…hah!!!??”
(It’s not just that I can’t touch him. He returns with an attack at the same time. Is this some supernatural power that lets him make a cross counter with 100% accuracy!?)
While lying on his back, he reached a trembling hand toward Thor’s leg.
A dull pain rushed through his side.
Almighty Thor had jabbed his toes into his side as if kicking a soccer ball and the great force sent him rolling along the ground.
For an instant, Kamijou thought the white sky had grown distorted.
He simply assumed it was his failing consciousness.
“Hm. If it was night, that might’ve worked as a simpler hint.”
“What…? You mean…that wasn’t an illusion?”
“I’m not moving.”
Hearing that, Kamijou placed a hand in the snow and grabbed a few stones underneath it.
He threw them all at once.
“There’s no need to bother heading out just to kill my enemy.”
“There’s no need to bother heading out just to kill my enemy.”
“There’s no need to bother heading out just to kill my enemy.”
Thor’s voice seemed to blur into several different voices.
Several Thors stood there such that all of the thrown stones missed. No, that was not accurate. Those were the afterimages of the boy naming himself an almighty god.
“I told you to widen your view, didn’t I?”
“Teleportation?”
“Try to be a little more imaginative.” Thor shook his bloody right hand while smiling. “I’m known as an almighty god right now, y’know? If Othinus hadn’t gouged out her eye, I’d be leading Gremlin. You need to widen your view if you want to talk about me.”
In that moment, Thor was standing over five meters away.
But the next thing Kamijou knew, the boy had grabbed his hair.
As he tried to stand up, he was slammed back to the snow.
Thor’s heel dropped on his chest and his gut again and again. He repeatedly applied pressure to Kamijou’s organs as casually as crushing an empty can.
“Gah…fh!!”
Kamijou tried his best to reach out his arm while all the oxygen was forced from his lungs. He tried to grab at Thor’s ankle.
Thor vanished again.
He was about one meter above and he gathered his feet to crush Kamijou’s gut with his full weight.
An unpleasant noise came from his body.
“Bgh…hah!!!??”
(It’s not just that I can’t touch him. He returns with an attack at the same time. Is this some supernatural power that lets him make a cross counter with 100% accuracy!?)
While lying on his back, he reached a trembling hand toward Thor’s leg.
A dull pain rushed through his side.
Almighty Thor had jabbed his toes into his side as if kicking a soccer ball and the great force sent him rolling along the ground.
For an instant, Kamijou thought the white sky had grown distorted.
He simply assumed it was his failing consciousness.
“Hm. If it was night, that might’ve worked as a simpler hint.”
“What…? You mean…that wasn’t an illusion?”
“I’m not moving.”
Hearing that, Kamijou placed a hand in the snow and grabbed a few stones underneath it.
He threw them all at once.
“There’s no need to bother heading out just to kill my enemy.”
“There’s no need to bother heading out just to kill my enemy.”
“There’s no need to bother heading out just to kill my enemy.”
Thor’s voice seemed to blur into several different voices.
Several Thors stood there such that all of the thrown stones missed. No, that was not accurate. Those were the afterimages of the boy naming himself an almighty god.
“I told you to widen your view, didn’t I?”
The distorting sky. A method of moving in an instant. A method different from the teleportation seen in Academy City. A technique within Gremlin. Something Kamijou himself had seen. Something he himself had experienced. How had Othinus taken him to Denmark?
“You aren’t the one moving…”
While taking shallow breaths, Kamijou moved his bloody lips.
His expression made it clear he could not believe his own theory.
“It’s the world that’s moving. You just have to stand still and the entire world is altered like a conveyer belt to carry the desired target to you.”
“Took you long enough. It’d be one thing if you hadn’t had any hints, but I already showed it to you in that Academy City container yard and I assume Othinus showed you her precious Bone Boat when you two vanished. Maybe I should’ve held back a bit and made it look more like some mysterious attack. I could’ve said something like ‘Mwa ha ha. I can stop time.”
The game piece of Almighty Thor remained in place while the world map laid below it was moved.
It sounded simply unbelievable, but Kamijou knew of a technique that would make it possible.
“The battles in Baggage City were also an experiment to see if holistic espers existed. That ridiculous system would smash together multiple distant galaxies to fire flames from the hand. Are you saying you’ve reached that?”
“You aren’t the one moving…”
While taking shallow breaths, Kamijou moved his bloody lips.
His expression made it clear he could not believe his own theory.
“It’s the world that’s moving. You just have to stand still and the entire world is altered like a conveyer belt to carry the desired target to you.”
“Took you long enough. It’d be one thing if you hadn’t had any hints, but I already showed it to you in that Academy City container yard and I assume Othinus showed you her precious Bone Boat when you two vanished. Maybe I should’ve held back a bit and made it look more like some mysterious attack. I could’ve said something like ‘Mwa ha ha. I can stop time.”
The game piece of Almighty Thor remained in place while the world map laid below it was moved.
It sounded simply unbelievable, but Kamijou knew of a technique that would make it possible.
“The battles in Baggage City were also an experiment to see if holistic espers existed. That ridiculous system would smash together multiple distant galaxies to fire flames from the hand. Are you saying you’ve reached that?”
“What you’re doing is on a huge scale. Moving the entire world is so far out of the ordinary that ‘almighty’ might be right on the mark. But the actual life-size phenomenon should be no different from teleportation. You can’t accomplish this level of accuracy like that.”
“Stop it. I don’t like being praised like that. You saw Othinus at full power, didn’t you? If the predicted specs I calculated out are accurate, her power would go well beyond mine which is limited to the world we’re in now. How many times was the world destroyed on your way here? In fact, how’d you even defeat her when she had her lance? …No, merely winning in a fistfight wouldn’t get you back to this world.”
It was true that 100% Almighty Thor would likely be killed in an instant if he faced 100% Magic God Othinus. Thor ruled a single world while Othinus created infinite worlds. That was an obvious and insurmountable wall.
But that was not the current problem.
Almighty Thor stood before Kamijou as a real threat and Othinus could no longer use her power. To move on, Kamijou would have to defeat him with the fists of a puny human.
“Just to be clear, I don’t designate the coordinates. For one thing, coordinates on paper are meaningless in an ever-expanding universe.”
“…?”
“The condition isn’t to always move into your blind spot either. That’d only be around Level 3 in Academy City, right? Embarrassingly enough, I’m known as an almighty god, so use a little more imagination.”
“…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………It can’t be.”
The idea made Kamijou forget about the intense pain filling his entire body.
That effect would be convenient, unfair, hopeless, and exactly what a god would do.
“Does your spell always move you to the point that will let you win?”
“Well done. It’s technically the world that moves, though.”
“Stop it. I don’t like being praised like that. You saw Othinus at full power, didn’t you? If the predicted specs I calculated out are accurate, her power would go well beyond mine which is limited to the world we’re in now. How many times was the world destroyed on your way here? In fact, how’d you even defeat her when she had her lance? …No, merely winning in a fistfight wouldn’t get you back to this world.”
It was true that 100% Almighty Thor would likely be killed in an instant if he faced 100% Magic God Othinus. Thor ruled a single world while Othinus created infinite worlds. That was an obvious and insurmountable wall.
But that was not the current problem.
Almighty Thor stood before Kamijou as a real threat and Othinus could no longer use her power. To move on, Kamijou would have to defeat him with the fists of a puny human.
“Just to be clear, I don’t designate the coordinates. For one thing, coordinates on paper are meaningless in an ever-expanding universe.”
“…?”
“The condition isn’t to always move into your blind spot either. That’d only be around Level 3 in Academy City, right? Embarrassingly enough, I’m known as an almighty god, so use a little more imagination.”
“…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………It can’t be.”
The idea made Kamijou forget about the intense pain filling his entire body.
That effect would be convenient, unfair, hopeless, and exactly what a god would do.
“Does your spell always move you to the point that will let you win?”
“Well done. It’s technically the world that moves, though.”
No matter what, Almighty Thor could evade any and all attacks. In his battle with Kamijou, the entire world would automatically move in order to position him such that he evaded all of the attacks and could most effectively attack. All he had to do was swing his arm or leg. As if playing a dumbed-down fighting game in which smashing a single button would provide a flawless victory, he could always achieve victory if he spent enough time on it. It did not matter what his opponent did. Just hitting that same button would overcome it all.
This made him undeniably invincible and yet it made the fight unimaginably empty.
This made him undeniably invincible and yet it made the fight unimaginably empty.
Once more emphasized that it takes Othinus’ full power as a Magic God to overcome the Almighty Thor and that not even the likes of Accelerator would be able to harm him.
This magic automatically adjusted position
and distance so he only had to swing his arm or leg to land a clean hit. This spell produced the conditions needed for none of his opponent’s attacks to reach him and for only him to attack.
and distance so he only had to swing his arm or leg to land a clean hit. This spell produced the conditions needed for none of his opponent’s attacks to reach him and for only him to attack.
A win or a draw were the only options.
Almighty Thor could always avoid defeat, so not even Academy City’s #1 Level 5 could kill him. Without the ability to destroy and remake the entire world in an instant as Magic God Othinus had done, he could not be killed.
When a god died, so did the world.
Almighty Thor could always avoid defeat, so not even Academy City’s #1 Level 5 could kill him. Without the ability to destroy and remake the entire world in an instant as Magic God Othinus had done, he could not be killed.
When a god died, so did the world.
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For one thing, there’s Mjolnir who in Toaru is a separate being who did this with a single Lightning strike
Size of the above castle
As Lightning God Thor, all of Mjolnir’s power is added to his own, making him the most powerful member of Gremlin after Othinus
For his own use of Electrcity, he uses Arc Fusion Blades made of Lightning on each finger for a total of 10. At their maximum length at 2 kilometers, their one of the few magic powers in the series too massive for even Touma to negate with Imagine Breaker
For an idea, Touma could negate Fiamma’s 30 to 40 kilometers sword of fire.
From the flow of magic power, the circular symbol, and the Thor's hammer form the magician existed in, Kanzaki was able to guess what was coming next.
She unhesitatingly fled.
A bluish-white beam of light appeared coming from below and heading up as if to stab into the heavens. It shot straight through the center of that twenty-kilometer-radius circle.
Immediately afterwards, a third of Radiosonde Castle was utterly annihilated.
impossible.
With just the laws of science, the phenomenon created some inconsistencies.
But magic compensated for that and forced it to work.
"haa...haa...!!"
Kanzaki breathed heavily right next to the edge of the destruction.
The edge glowed orange like the inside of a blast furnace. The stone walls and ceiling that had been creating an odd sense of intimidation were no longer there. Just a running long jump's distance away, there was nothing but open space.
She unhesitatingly fled.
A bluish-white beam of light appeared coming from below and heading up as if to stab into the heavens. It shot straight through the center of that twenty-kilometer-radius circle.
Immediately afterwards, a third of Radiosonde Castle was utterly annihilated.
impossible.
With just the laws of science, the phenomenon created some inconsistencies.
But magic compensated for that and forced it to work.
"haa...haa...!!"
Kanzaki breathed heavily right next to the edge of the destruction.
The edge glowed orange like the inside of a blast furnace. The stone walls and ceiling that had been creating an odd sense of intimidation were no longer there. Just a running long jump's distance away, there was nothing but open space.
Size of the above castle
As Lightning God Thor, all of Mjolnir’s power is added to his own, making him the most powerful member of Gremlin after Othinus
For his own use of Electrcity, he uses Arc Fusion Blades made of Lightning on each finger for a total of 10. At their maximum length at 2 kilometers, their one of the few magic powers in the series too massive for even Touma to negate with Imagine Breaker
For an idea, Touma could negate Fiamma’s 30 to 40 kilometers sword of fire.