Versus Battle Band of the Falcon vs Riboku army

[RayanOO]

Here Griffith army (PRE ECLIPSE obviously) fights Riboku army.

They fight in Shukai plains.

Griffith side : they are all in prime from their pre eclipse self

Griffith
Guts (after his one year training alone)
Casca
Judeau
Pippin
Crokus
Rickert

Riboku army :

Riboku
Houken
Kaine
Futei

They both have the same number of soldiers.

Round 2 : add Bananji and Shun sui ju for Riboku and Guts transforms into black swordsman with dragon slayer (without berserk armor).

Who wins ?

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[Elder Lee Hung]

Griffith
Guts (after his one year training alone)
Casca
Judeau
Pippin
Crokus
Rickert

Riboku army :

Riboku
Houken
Kaine
Futei

God bless you Rayan lmfao. I’ve actually been thinking about how the Band of the Hawk would fair in Kingdom’s world lol. I didn’t think anyone else would care about such a topic here lol.

So, with numbers equalized, and even excluding the Band of the Falcon from technological advancements they have like Cannons and such, I would still say the Band of the Hawk is taking this one. You would need to give Riboku access to Bananji and Shunsuiju for a more fair matchup, though in that case I think the Riboku army would probably win lol. So here goes:

Tactics: You’re looking at Riboku vs Griffith, and I would surely say that Riboku has the advantage there. Griffith’s tactics were praised a few times throughout the Golden Age, and his tactics were strong enough that the Hawk steamrolled most armies it faced, but I would still give the edge to Riboku from everything we know.

It’s tough to compare the two as far as their tactics go because they fight in such different worlds and eras, but Riboku imo is just an unparalleled genius and Griffith would probably fall more in line with someone like current Mouten - a young prodigy with incredible tactics but still has growing room before he reaches someone like Riboku.

Martial might:
The Hawk takes it here. I’m going to compare individual matchups with commanders because I think Riboku’s troops and the Hawks warriors are comparable.

Riboku vs Griffith: Griffith edges it out as a warrior. Griffith was an amazing swordsman who personally lead his troops from the front lines in every battle the Hawk fought. Riboku is probably a lot stronger than we all think but I’m giving the edge to Griffith as he has more direct fighting experience as far as we can tell. Griffith wins high/extreme diff.

Pre-Eclipse Guts vs Houken: I would say there is no advantage either way. Both are peak warriors who I think can slay the other, however I would lean towards Guts who actually has faced human-form Zodd and Apostle Wyald by this point. Guts is also, in my opinion, easily smarter than Houken. Houken isn’t dumb, but Guts’ fighting IQ is tremendous even before he became the Black Swordsman. Guts technically speaking bested human form Zodd in a sword fight, and human form Zodd is above Houken. And the Guts that bested him was a good deal less experienced than pre-Eclipse Guts who went through extremely rigorous training. I could elaborate further but long story short, this version of Guts is every bit as strong/skilled as Houken while having higher fight IQ.

Casca vs Kaine: Again, I have to favor Casca here, Kaine is underrated as a fighter but Casca just has more front-line experience.

And I’m not even sure who to put up against Futei, I actually think he’d beat Judeau, Rickert, and Pippin for one reason or another but it really doesn’t matter at that point lol. Even Guts after suffering wounds from Houken would defeat Futei quickly lol.

So overall it just depends on what you value more, tactics vs fighting strength. It could probably go either way but I think I’m leaning towards the Hawk as they’re just such a strong unit overall lol. I think you’d need to put Bananji and Shunsuiju in like I said, then I’d favor the Riboku Army.

 

[RayanOO]

God bless you Rayan lmfao. I’ve actually been thinking about how the Band of the Hawk would fair in Kingdom’s world lol. I didn’t think anyone else would care about such a topic here lol.

If you have Berserk match up you know that I am on board haha

I mostly agree with you and wanted to add Bananji and Shun sui ji but it will be unfair and the match up will be unbalanced.

Maybe if we add only Earl Rai and Earl Kou this can work.

But I think overall we underestimate a bit Kingdom armies here. On average kingdom soldiers are more superhumans than early berserk ones. This can be a good advantages.

 

[Dragomir]

I pretty much agree with @Admiral Lee Hung the Band takes it due to their superior fighting prowess. I think Apostle Wyald and Human Zodd are both much stronger than any character in Kingdom and Guts was able to defeat Wyald with a great combination of his brains and brawn. And against Zodd, he survived multiple blows that would imo crush any Kingdom character.

High diff-ish for the Hawk.

 

[RayanOO]

And for Riboku vs Griffith warrior wise I don't know. Riboku had his own adventures and knows how to fight. I don't think Riboku is miles below good general level.
And Griffith was beaten by post Doldrey Guts. So a Houken level guy can beat Griffith without too much difficulties. Post training Guts is above Griffith by some good margin.

 

[Dragomir]

Round 2 : add Bananji and Shun sui ju for Riboku and Guts transfmors into black swordsman with dragon slayer (without berserk armor).

This is more interesting now but I still think the Hawk wins. Griffith imo has the edge over Riboku as a fighter and pre-eclipse Guts completely outclassed him in their fight. Black Swordsman Guts is much MUCH stronger than pre-eclipse. Especially if we're using the current Guts here. Even without the armor, I see him capable of slaying Riboku, Bananji, and Shun Sui Ju all at once. If Riboku decides to send out Houken to meet Guts first then the former gets mid-diffed and Guts proceeds to lay waste to the rest.

Griffith, Casca, Judeau, Rickert, and Pippin help support Guts.

Hmm, I actually think the Band wins it easier this round. Post-eclipse Guts is simply way too strong.

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Tbh, if it wasn't for the armies that both sides got, I believe that it's entirely possible that Black Swordsman Guts would solo round 2.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

But I think overall we underestimate a bit Kingdom armies here. On average kingdom soldiers are more superhumans than early berserk ones. This can be a good advantages.

Yes, but we aren’t talking about ordinary soldiers. We are talking about the Band of the Hawk soldiers, who are more skilled than ordinary human soldiers. Riboku’s own personal army is probably made of elites too, which is why I think they’re probably equal.

Human Zodd are both much stronger than any character in Kingdom

This may be underrating Kingdom characters. Human Zodd’s sword strikes can smash through stone pillars:

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While Renpa straight up smashed through a speeding boulder:

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And Renpa is considered by most to be a top 5 Kingdom character, IE not the strongest lol. I imagine Kanmei, Moubu, Ouki, etc can also do this. But let’s also look at Guts here:

And against Zodd, he survived multiple blows that would imo crush any Kingdom character.

Guts has the benefit of wearing Heavy Armor which increases his resilience, and had extreme willpower even before he became the Black Swordsman, but Guts surviving multiple blows from Apostle Zodd isn’t even the craziest part about that fight.

Remembering Zodd smashing through a stone pillar, and then Read this again:

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This scene not only shows how smart Guts is, but also his extreme strength and skill vs someone even as powerful as Human Zodd.

Guts did not merely tank a lot of blows from Human Zodd: He straight up bested him in Sword-play and would’ve killed him if Zodd wasn’t an immortal Demon lol.

And this version of Guts is not the version of Guts we’re talking about, who trained for a year straight to slice falling logs out of a waterfall successfully.

And Griffith was beaten by post Doldrey Guts

That version of Guts was likely around Bananji level overall. I don’t think Riboku is posing a huge threat to Bananji lol.

 

[Dragomir]

Yes, but we aren’t talking about ordinary soldiers. We are talking about the Band of the Hawk soldiers, who are more skilled than ordinary human soldiers. Riboku’s own personal army is probably made of elites too, which is why I think they’re probably equal.



This may be underrating Kingdom characters. Human Zodd’s sword strikes can smash through stone pillars:

Spoiler

While Renpa straight up smashed through a speeding boulder:

Spoiler

And Renpa is considered by most to be a top 5 Kingdom character, IE not the strongest lol. I imagine Kanmei, Moubu, Ouki, etc can also do this.

Yeah, you're right. My bad on that. Don't remember much of Kingdom feats while Berserk is still fresh on my mind.

Guts has the benefit of wearing Heavy Armor which increases his resilience, and had extreme willpower even before he became the Black Swordsman, but Guts surviving multiple blows from Apostle Zodd isn’t even the craziest part about that fight.

Remembering Zodd smashing through a stone pillar, and then Read this again:

Spoiler

This scene not only shows how smart Guts is, but also his extreme strength and skill vs someone even as powerful as Human Zodd.

Guts did not merely tank a lot of blows from Human Zodd: He was straight up superior to him and would’ve killed him if Zodd wasn’t an immortal Demon lol.

And this version of Guts is not the version of Guts we’re talking about, who trained for a year straight to slice falling logs out of a waterfall successfully.

Yep, Guts's battle IQ is incredibly high. While he probably isn't as strong as Houken at this point, his smarts give him a massive advantage unlike any other. Houken will get slain akin to Zodd here, just that Houken is gonna die instead.

And then there's Black Swordsman Guts who would solo everyone here including Bananji and Shun Sui Ju. Higher IQ, devastating cannon blows with his cannon arm. Anybody who gets too close is getting blasted. Not to mention his accurate knife throwing skills.

Tbh, I think Berserker Guts would be quite capable of taking on all the top 10 strongest Kingdom characters at once.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Houken will get slain akin to Zodd here, just that Houken is gonna die instead.

I would still favor Houken in a match with this version of Guts. The thing with Zodd, is that he really doesn’t care what kinds of weapons he carries onto the battlefield. He’s just going to grab the biggest, most violent weapon he can find and use it for kicks.

But Kingdom Great General like Ouki, Moubu, Houken, Gyou’Un, Gaimou, etc..all carry “treasure blades”, in other words their weapons themselves are actually incredible and probably far more durable than any sword Zodd brings into battle for shits and giggles lol.

This version of Guts isn’t breaking treasured Kingdom Blades Yet imo.

And then there's Black Swordsman Guts who would solo everyone here including Bananji and Shun Sui Ju. Higher IQ, devastating cannon blows with his cannon arm. Anybody who gets too close is getting blasted. Not to mention his accurate knife throwing skills.

Black Swordsman Guts only needs Dragonslayer:

^ Heavily Injured

^Serpico wagers that his only shot at defeating Guts is to fight him in an area cramped with steel pillars laced with stone so Guts can’t actually swing his sword, and is still wrong lol

Black Swordsman Guts would cleave through Houken and his Glaive in one strike.

Tbh, I think Berserker Guts would be quite capable of taking on all the top 10 strongest Kingdom characters at once.

Berserker Armor Guts is designed to slay multiple apostles in succession. Literally he is designed to solo multiple giant demonoid monsters one after the other. Yeah, Kingdom characters don’t stand much of a chance there.

 

[RayanOO]

For the round 1 I think the match can be good if we remove Houken and replace him with Bananji and SSJ. And Guts is now post Doldrey Guts (the one who slayed Boscogne)

 

[Bullet]

I'm gonna assume they get the same gears and equipment

Riboku wins the first round
Riboku > Griffith both as a fighter and tactician
Griffith is smart but not on the level of Kingom generals the tactics and mind games these guys play i've not seen anywhere else
And the hype Riboku has gotten i think puts him at around Banaji level atleast while Griffith would barely be better than Mouten
and also Kingom soldiers are gigantic so i think he has better man power as well
And Houken > Guts

Round 2
Probably goes to Falcon just because of Guts he is like Moubu on steriods he will tear apart any enemy and tactic thrown at him

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

And the hype Riboku has gotten i think puts him at around Banaji level atleast

Pretty much everything you typed is wrong, no offense, but this right here is one of the silliest things I’ve ever seen in regards to Kingdom power levels.

 

[Dark Admiral]

Band Of Hawks for the Win..!!
Pretty amazed on how can someone think of this match up. @RayanOO :cheers:
Riboku can play all his hands but Griffith with band of Hawks at his back is no joke at all. He was earning name and fame for them on the frontline battlefield.
Guts Vs Houken would be pretty lit though. Houken might have a slight advantage on Raw Physical Power but Guts has faced the worse.
R1: Hawks will fly right through the Riboku army.
R2: Black Swordsman Guts will have to put a little bit more effort and slay both Houken and Bannaji. Griffith can take on SSJ and Riboku. He is also one tough son of a b*tch..