Future Events BBP vs RHP

[Momonosuke]

I've see a ton of people who assume that the blackbeard pirates will defeat/kill shanks and the red-haired pirates.

I'm just curious how many of you on here think that will happen and your reasoning for thinking so.

I for one don't think Shanks will die, or even fight blackbeard before Luffy does. I expect the strawhats to fight the blackbeard pirates before Luffy meets Shanks again.

 

[milluki]

I think the BBP will defeat the RHP and have Moria take their shadows. They will create a very strong zombie army like that, which can compete with the Seraphim. I made a video about that idea once:

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

It's mostly because Shanks fulfilled his purpose in the story by lending the strawhat to Luffy. Now that Luffy has become a Great Pirate, he just need to reunite with Shanks again and that's that. Shanks getting killed by Teach who is Luffy's nemesis would fits the theme better imo. That way, Luffy will grow even stronger and have more build-up to defeat Teach.

 

[Apollo]

Ever since that moment between Shanks and the Gorosei, I thought "Shanks isn't just gonna die to BB". Shanks obviously has more to him than meets the eye, he may lose to BB but not before we gets the spotlight long enough to show his origin/past and motives. This is reassured by this panel :

 

[Momonosuke]

It's mostly because Shanks fulfilled his purpose in the story by lending the strawhat to Luffy. Now that Luffy has become a Great Pirate, he just need to reunite with Shanks again and that's that. Shanks getting killed by Teach who is Luffy's nemesis would fits the theme better imo. That way, Luffy will grow even stronger and have more build-up to defeat Teach.

For as lighthearted of a story as one piece is, I don't think there needs to be anymore hate and or build up for the battle with teach. We know teach kidnapped coby and probably has law now as well, plus he was the one who captured ace and is at least partially responsible for his death, not to mention the first meeting between luffy and blackbeard they were getting ready to fight over simple differences of opinion about pie and a drink.

As far as shanks goes I don't think he will die before seeing laughtale or how luffy changes the world. I think about when Shanks and Buggy stayed behind when Roger went to the final island and how Shanks told Roger that if they want to see it some day they will do so with their own ships and crew some day. Also when Shanks told Ben that it was about time to join the race for the one piece I found it interesting that he chose to use the term race rather than fight or something else. I've had a theory for a long time that after blackbeard, the search for the one piece will end up as an actual race out on the open ocean similar to how the strawhats and kid pirates raced towards onigashima.

Plus with luffy and the crew sharing their prints of the rode poneglyphs with law and kids crews it seems like luffy wants more of a race against the ones he considers his friends rather than a fight. I think we'll see the rhp, cross guild, and possibly some other supernova all race towards laughtale after a final war with the wg, revos,etc.

 

[milluki]

Oda once said that Shanks is the person most like himself. Shanks is his self instert. Crappy fanfiction writers often have self inserts be the hero. Oda often uses self deprecating humor. He is not an amateur writer. His self insert will do the opposite of what most of them do: fail. Oda also stresses alot that Luffy is the protagonist. Shanks tries to keep the world stable, but in the end, it is Luffy's job to fix the world.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I've see a ton of people who assume that the blackbeard pirates will defeat/kill shanks and the red-haired pirates.

I'm just curious how many of you on here think that will happen and your reasoning for thinking so.

I for one don't think Shanks will die, or even fight blackbeard before Luffy does. I expect the strawhats to fight the blackbeard pirates before Luffy meets Shanks again.

I think it will for a few reasons:
1. Luffy isn’t giving up the straw hat until he becomes pirate king. It’s become his trademark. So luffy to finish his journey without it would kind a suck

2. Shanks and his crew has no role in the series outside of hyping up an enemy. They are strong is all we’re told; and Shanks entire character is all about protecting the next era. So why would he fight luffy?

3. and the biggest reason, Blackbeards crew needs hype. They’re supposed to be the final enemy before luffy makes it to raftel yet they seem like jokes right now.

Shanks honestly serves no purpose other than to hype up Blackbeard and give luffy more personal stakes in taking him down.

 

[Momonosuke]

I think it will for a few reasons:
1. Luffy isn’t giving up the straw hat until he becomes pirate king. It’s become his trademark. So luffy to finish his journey without it would kind a suck

2. Shanks and his crew has no role in the series outside of hyping up an enemy. They are strong is all we’re told; and Shanks entire character is all about protecting the next era. So why would he fight luffy?

3. and the biggest reason, Blackbeards crew needs hype. They’re supposed to be the final enemy before luffy makes it to raftel yet they seem like jokes right now.

Shanks honestly serves no purpose other than to hype up Blackbeard and give luffy more personal stakes in taking him down.

I agree that I don't see Shanks fighting luffy, but I don't see an original character as hyped up as Shanks getting killed off as a hype tool for a less important character. There is plenty of hype for blackbeard and it's never been said that he is supposed to be the final enemy. Whereas luffy has said that he plans beating all of the yonko and saving Shanks for last.

That doesn't necessarily mean they will fight, his first time challenging a yonko was WB in a race to save ace, I see it being more likely that luffy will have to fight blackbeard before he starts towards laughtale, and his competition with shanks will be a race to laughtale rather than a fight.

 

[Chiji_]

I agree with you, I think RHP will be the test to show they’ve become the ultimate crew

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I agree that I don't see Shanks fighting luffy, but I don't see an original character as hyped up as Shanks getting killed off as a hype tool for a less important character. There is plenty of hype for blackbeard and it's never been said that he is supposed to be the final enemy. Whereas luffy has said that he plans beating all of the yonko and saving Shanks for last.

That doesn't necessarily mean they will fight, his first time challenging a yonko was WB in a race to save ace, I see it being more likely that luffy will have to fight blackbeard before he starts towards laughtale, and his competition with shanks will be a race to laughtale rather than a fight.

I think the problem is you think shanks is more important than Blackbeard and I think the opposite. Shanks seems to be a very hype character; but has no narrative weight outside of being luffys friend.

 

[Momonosuke]

I think the problem is you think shanks is more important than Blackbeard and I think the opposite. Shanks seems to be a very hype character; but has no narrative weight outside of being luffys friend.

And I think the problem is that you assume that oda needs to kill off someone else that luffy cares about for character development. With the turn things have taken in recent months it doesn't seem like where oda is headed with the extremely lighthearted and goofy path he has chosen for one piece.

With all of blackbeards fights thus far being offscreened it makes no sense to have him fight one of the most anticipated characters in the verse just to have it offscreened because it's not luffys fight. Not to mention I don't think Shanks would lose to Blackbeard if they did fight.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

And I think the problem is that you assume that oda needs to kill off someone else that luffy cares about for character development. With the turn things have taken in recent months it doesn't seem like where oda is headed with the extremely lighthearted and goofy path he has chosen for one piece.

With all of blackbeards fights thus far being offscreened it makes no sense to have him fight one of the most anticipated characters in the verse just to have it offscreened because it's not luffys fight. Not to mention I don't think Shanks would lose to Blackbeard if they did fight.

Blackbeard vs Shanks can be Blackbeard vs Ace 2.0. So we can actually see Blackbeard fight. And that’s the problem right there you don’t think Shanks would lose to Blackbeard; but Blackbeard is literally luffys foil right now. He needs to look stronger.

Or do you think Blackbeard and Luffy will fight with Blackbeards biggest win being against someone weaker than Luffy? That’s not how shonen works.

 

[Momonosuke]

Blackbeard vs Shanks can be Blackbeard vs Ace 2.0. So we can actually see Blackbeard fight. And that’s the problem right there you don’t think Shanks would lose to Blackbeard; but Blackbeard is literally luffys foil right now. He needs to look stronger.

Or do you think Blackbeard and Luffy will fight with Blackbeards biggest win being against someone weaker than Luffy? That’s not how shonen works.

As of right now it seems like blackbeards most recent win will be against law who has the same bounty as luffy, he also has coby and pudding held captive.

There is no need for an ace 2.0. We will see blackbeard actually fight against Luffy. Blackbeard and his entire crew are being portrayed as plenty strong enough to give the strawhats a real challenge but unless he is able to get Shanks in a trap he isn't going to beat him, he may be smart enough to catch shanks off guard and take advantage of a fight between him and someone else but he's not strong enough to beat shanks head on and I don't see oda killing off shanks in some bullshit way like that. Luffy chose shanks as the last yonko he'll go up against, I don't see any reason at all for oda to kill off shanks especially just as a hype tool for blackbeard who already has 2 df one of which is able to steal df and give them to whoever he wants giving his crew abilities that complement their roles. Not to mention blackbeard has been chasing devilfruit every time we've seen him, shanks' crew don't have any that we know of so he has no reason to target shanks.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

As of right now it seems like blackbeards most recent win will be against law who has the same bounty as luffy, he also has coby and pudding held captive.

There is no need for an ace 2.0. We will see blackbeard actually fight against Luffy. Blackbeard and his entire crew are being portrayed as plenty strong enough to give the strawhats a real challenge but unless he is able to get Shanks in a trap he isn't going to beat him, he may be smart enough to catch shanks off guard and take advantage of a fight between him and someone else but he's not strong enough to beat shanks head on and I don't see oda killing off shanks in some bullshit way like that. Luffy chose shanks as the last yonko he'll go up against, I don't see any reason at all for oda to kill off shanks especially just as a hype tool for blackbeard who already has 2 df one of which is able to steal df and give them to whoever he wants giving his crew abilities that complement their roles. Not to mention blackbeard has been chasing devilfruit every time we've seen him, shanks' crew don't have any that we know of so he has no reason to target shanks.

It won’t be bullshit, it’ll be a fair fight between two emperors when Blackbeard kills shanks.

Luffys promise to shanks is to surpass his crew. The best way to prove that is by having luffys crew defeat the crew that defeated shanks’ crew.

And even beyond that this is also needed for Usopps character. Usopps dream is to be a brave warrior of the sea and Usopp has connected that to his father. The best way for him to truly achieve his dream is to surpass his father as well.

Shanks is a hype character, but his story has been so strongly connected to Blackbeard that it just makes sense that it’ll end with Blackbeard.

 

[Momonosuke]

It won’t be bullshit, it’ll be a fair fight between two emperors when Blackbeard kills shanks.

Luffys promise to shanks is to surpass his crew. The best way to prove that is by having luffys crew defeat the crew that defeated shanks’ crew.

And even beyond that this is also needed for Usopps character. Usopps dream is to be a brave warrior of the sea and Usopp has connected that to his father. The best way for him to truly achieve his dream is to surpass his father as well.

Shanks is a hype character, but his story has been so strongly connected to Blackbeard that it just makes sense that it’ll end with Blackbeard.

Whatever you want to think but in my opinion using blackbeard to kill off Shanks would be worse than anything that's ever happened in one piece. Usopp doesn't need to avenge his father to reach his goals, and having shanks die in his first fight shown would be one of the stupidest things oda could ever do. That's like having Im kill off dragon in his first appearance, or having shiryu use his df to kill mihawk while he's asleep, it does way more to ruin the story than it does to benefit it.

Also blackbeard doesn't have the haki to beat shanks straight up, and since blackbeard is the epitome of what pirates were which is ruthless and cold-blooded if he were to fight shanks, someone who he can't beat in a real fight, he would use the most underhanded scheme possible to do so. Although shanks death would be a ridiculous motivator for the strawhats in starting a war with blackbeard, it's not necessary when they're going to fight anyway and there is only 1 yonko who needs to die for the story to progress and that's blackbeard.