Versus Battle Black Bulls (Black Clover) vs. Rimuru´s twelve Patrons (Tensei shitara slime datta ken)

#21
He can't negate Anti Magic. Unless you are talking about the fight in slime's world.

I don't understand so slime has all of these guys and there are still villains?
Firstly, doesn't matter if he cant or can. Anti magic isn't gonna stop something that bypasses it(IE imagination) and Asta anti magic is only from his sword, nothing else. Basically Zegion just has to remove Astas sword and it's gg, which has capable of due to Time Stop, Dimentional Attacks, imagination attacks, invisible attacks, curses etc.

And yes, the villains are op as well.
 
#22
Firstly, doesn't matter if he cant or can. Anti magic isn't gonna stop something that bypasses it(IE imagination) and Asta anti magic is only from his sword, nothing else. Basically Zegion just has to remove Astas sword and it's gg, which has capable of due to Time Stop, Dimentional Attacks, imagination attacks, invisible attacks, curses etc.

And yes, the villains are op as well.
Asta antimagic comes from his body, not from his sword, his sword is just part of his antimagic power. It's like his sword is just a part of his body, in the end he is the source of antimagic, not his sword.
 
#23
Asta antimagic comes from his body, not from his sword, his sword is just part of his antimagic power. It's like his sword is just a part of his body, in the end he is the source of antimagic, not his sword.
Actually to be extra sure, it comes from his Grimoire. Him holding the sword allows the Anti magic to flow into him. Not that it matters as Diablo or Zegion could easily shut it off via True and Fallacy Spell which allows Diablo to turn reality into illusions and illusions into reality and Zegions imagination or Zero Field wave.
 

Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
#24
Slime must be boring with all of these power.

Dude negates everything that can be negated.

Like wtf?
 
#26
He can't negate Anti Magic. Unless you are talking about the fight in slime's world.

I don't understand so slime has all of these guys and there are still villains?
you do know that rimuru is scaled to boundless. benimaru zegion and diablo can be scaled to outerversal. but vs wiki shit apparently says rimuru is multiversal amd diablo, zegion and benimaru is solar system and theyre all mftl+ while rimuru is immeasurable speed so stfu and sit yo ass down
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He can't negate Anti Magic. Unless you are talking about the fight in slime's world.

I don't understand so slime has all of these guys and there are still villains?
the villian is literally a God who created their universe, tf you smoking?
 

Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
#27
you do know that rimuru is scaled to boundless. benimaru zegion and diablo can be scaled to outerversal. but vs wiki shit apparently says rimuru is multiversal amd diablo, zegion and benimaru is solar system and theyre all mftl+ while rimuru is immeasurable speed so stfu and sit yo ass down
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the villian is literally a God who created their universe, tf you smoking?
Gods are weak in most of the shows. I don't care anyway. Black Clover for me >>>
 
#29
they speed blitz doesn’t matter their abilities, and one of the 12 patrons, Vanessa’s fate ability needs the touch the target, it can’t move fast enough to touch them before they die
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Gods are weak in most of the shows. I don't care anyway. Black Clover for me >>>
So biased?
 
#30
they speed blitz doesn’t matter their abilities, and one of the 12 patrons, Vanessa’s fate ability needs the touch the target, it can’t move fast enough to touch them before they die
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So biased?
Actually not, Vanessa cat not need to touch anything.
Remember how Rave and Elfs cast magic spell on Vanessa or not Bull House, every one get zero damage, so no need to touch at all.
Plus Lightening magic of Luck wasn't working without any touch
 
#32
1)Skills in slime=/=magic so theres no way to negate it (i can send scans if you want)
2)blitzing is useless as thought acceleration 1m times is faster
3)dimension slash is useless because of their regen
 
#33
Small update.

Full Fusion Asta solos Patrons.

He is untouchable.

Small additional info for Tensura Patrons:

- Most if not all Patrons are reality warpers

- Zegion has a skill that literally swallows the enemy out of existence

- Zegion has a skill that allows him to casually severe Dimensions and disconnect the space itself by just swinging his fingers

- Rimuru can bestow them some of his skills

- They can use Dimensional gaps as barriers to defend themselves

- Rimuru can let Benimaru, Diablo and Zegion borrow some of Rimuru's Nihility energy, This alone wouldn't literally wipe out the whole black bulls

- None of them can die, They can literally be restored by Rimuru, After Rimuru ate Veldora, he became a True Dragon, according to Veldora, True Dragons cannot be killed even if their Conceptual selves were erased, Plus the fact that Rimuru even if he wasn't a True Dragon has the ability to Regenerate from merely memories or even tiny droplets of water

- Oh They can spam Anti-Magic Barriers 😂

- Zegion and Diablo can stop the time, preventing the Opponents from using magic

- Diablo can exchange reality and illusion and illusion to reality

- Time stop ability in Tensura, literally includes Durability and defence negation. During the Draguel fight, it was stated that when the World is stopped everything stops, so even the hardest metal would be destroy by just simply blowing it

- Zegion's exoskeleton alone has high resistance to magic

Magic Perception (The ability to perceive the surrounding magical energy. Allows 360 degrees vision leaving no blind-spots)


and many more
So yah the Patrons negs the whole Black Bull pretty much negative diff

Oh yah don't even try to include Rimuru in this battle, That would be straight up bullying, Rimuru might as well create a new World via [V.G Azathoth] and then teleport all Black Clover characters there and force then to a Battle royale 😂

Oh wait, Rimuru can just copy their Abilities then bestow to the patrons


Now if ur interested on how strong the Patrons and Rimuru are in the WN then here u go

The Patron contains:

- Reality Warpers
- Causality Manipulator
- Existence erasure users
- Time stop users
- Magic Nullification users
- Magic prevention users
- Magic Barriers and Curse type defenses negation
- Multiple barrier (An ability which surrounds the user with multiple barriers. Defensive barriers prevent the entry of magic powers) users
- Magic Canceller ( This magic works by disturbing the magic essence and obstructing its existence, thus negating the targeted magic and its effect or a magically enhanced object.) users
- Physical Attack Nullification users

- An ability that stops time for everyone except the user and it's opponent, The ability
also allows the user to gain control over life and death

- An ability where the user summons a black flame, The black flame's light (that can pass through most substances and barrier magic) that touches a living being will rewrite its genetic code. In 99.9999% of the cases, the living being dies

- End of World (An ability with the effect that denies everything, and brings about destruction. To the things that the user doesn't allow, the effect brings destruction) user

- Multi-Dimensional Barrier (An always active, multi-layered barrier which creates absolute defense by making use of dimensional gaps.) users

Magic Perception: The ability to perceive the surrounding magical energy. Allows 360 degrees vision leaving no blind-spots.

- Demon Lord's Ambition (An ability which can cause its targets to become panicked, and if the user desires it, it can even cause its target to become insane and die of madness.) users

Also Rimuru's Patrons are Ultimate Skill users, Being a Ultimate Skill user alone let's them not get affected by lower abilities, Every rule of the world is ultimately reduced to this unique level. In other words, they will not be affected by any form of magic–highest or not which gives them resistance to numerous abilities such as mind manipulation, death manipulation, matter manipulation, soul manipulation etc.


Now for Rimuru, the result would be the same as the LN one

WN Rimuru:
- Is literally Omniscient via [Ciel] and [I.K.A.R]
- Can literally degrade the Skills and Abilities of his opponents
- Automatically gain access to all the skills and abilities via [I.K.A.R]
- Immune to literally almost everything, plus he can nullify attacks (Heck even an attack that was literally able to erase the whole creation including the True Dragons (which cannot die even if vanished from Concept) was unable to atleast scratch him 😂

- Casually moved inside the Complete Nothingness in where The Concept of Time and Space and also The Great Spirits which are the Concepts of all Concepts doesn't exist anymore

- Has 2 of the strongest energies/power

Stardust: Power of Everythingness and the densest energy ever (He now has an infinite supply of these which gets doubled every single day)

Nihility: Power of Nothingness that literally allows his to Create and Erase etc ( He also has an infinite supply of these which also gets doubled every single day)

- Rimuru can create infinite "Clones", It's not really an actual clone since each of the "Clone" are the real Rimuru

- Rimuru can actually use [H.L.S.N] to duplicate his Abilities and skills and combine it 😂

- He can do anything and create any skills and abilities he wants as long as he has enough power and knowledge to do so, This is child's play for Rimuru who literally has Omniscience and has Beyond Infinite Power via [M.B.R], [V.G.A], [W.K.S], [P.M.S], [H.L.S.N], His clones that are inside an infinite time and space

- Manipulate Causality, Probability, Concept, Time-Space, Life and Death and many more

In short, The Patrons negs The Black Bulls

oh yah ur right, Asta is untouchable cuz he's gonna get erased into nothingness before they can touch him
 
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#35
Small additional info for Tensura Patrons:

- Most if not all Patrons are reality warpers

- Zegion has a skill that literally swallows the enemy out of existence

- Zegion has a skill that allows him to casually severe Dimensions and disconnect the space itself by just swinging his fingers

- Rimuru can bestow them some of his skills

- They can use Dimensional gaps as barriers to defend themselves

- Rimuru can let Benimaru, Diablo and Zegion borrow some of Rimuru's Nihility energy, This alone wouldn't literally wipe out the whole black bulls

- None of them can die, They can literally be restored by Rimuru, After Rimuru ate Veldora, he became a True Dragon, according to Veldora, True Dragons cannot be killed even if their Conceptual selves were erased, Plus the fact that Rimuru even if he wasn't a True Dragon has the ability to Regenerate from merely memories or even tiny droplets of water

- Oh They can spam Anti-Magic Barriers 😂

- Zegion and Diablo can stop the time, preventing the Opponents from using magic

- Diablo can exchange reality and illusion and illusion to reality

- Time stop ability in Tensura, literally includes Durability and defence negation. During the Draguel fight, it was stated that when the World is stopped everything stops, so even the hardest metal would be destroy by just simply blowing it

- Zegion's exoskeleton alone has high resistance to magic

Magic Perception (The ability to perceive the surrounding magical energy. Allows 360 degrees vision leaving no blind-spots)


and many more
So yah the Patrons negs the whole Black Bull pretty much negative diff

Oh yah don't even try to include Rimuru in this battle, That would be straight up bullying, Rimuru might as well create a new World via [V.G Azathoth] and then teleport all Black Clover characters there and force then to a Battle royale 😂

Oh wait, Rimuru can just copy their Abilities then bestow to the patrons


Now if ur interested on how strong the Patrons and Rimuru are in the WN then here u go

The Patron contains:

- Reality Warpers
- Causality Manipulator
- Existence erasure users
- Time stop users
- Magic Nullification users
- Magic prevention users
- Magic Barriers and Curse type defenses negation
- Multiple barrier (An ability which surrounds the user with multiple barriers. Defensive barriers prevent the entry of magic powers) users
- Magic Canceller ( This magic works by disturbing the magic essence and obstructing its existence, thus negating the targeted magic and its effect or a magically enhanced object.) users
- Physical Attack Nullification users

- An ability that stops time for everyone except the user and it's opponent, The ability
also allows the user to gain control over life and death

- An ability where the user summons a black flame, The black flame's light (that can pass through most substances and barrier magic) that touches a living being will rewrite its genetic code. In 99.9999% of the cases, the living being dies

- End of World (An ability with the effect that denies everything, and brings about destruction. To the things that the user doesn't allow, the effect brings destruction) user

- Multi-Dimensional Barrier (An always active, multi-layered barrier which creates absolute defense by making use of dimensional gaps.) users

Magic Perception: The ability to perceive the surrounding magical energy. Allows 360 degrees vision leaving no blind-spots.

- Demon Lord's Ambition (An ability which can cause its targets to become panicked, and if the user desires it, it can even cause its target to become insane and die of madness.) users

Also Rimuru's Patrons are Ultimate Skill users, Being a Ultimate Skill user alone let's them not get affected by lower abilities, Every rule of the world is ultimately reduced to this unique level. In other words, they will not be affected by any form of magic–highest or not which gives them resistance to numerous abilities such as mind manipulation, death manipulation, matter manipulation, soul manipulation etc.


Now for Rimuru, the result would be the same as the LN one

WN Rimuru:
- Is literally Omniscient via [Ciel] and [I.K.A.R]
- Can literally degrade the Skills and Abilities of his opponents
- Automatically gain access to all the skills and abilities via [I.K.A.R]
- Immune to literally almost everything, plus he can nullify attacks (Heck even an attack that was literally able to erase the whole creation including the True Dragons (which cannot die even if vanished from Concept) was unable to atleast scratch him 😂

- Casually moved inside the Complete Nothingness in where The Concept of Time and Space and also The Great Spirits which are the Concepts of all Concepts doesn't exist anymore

- Has 2 of the strongest energies/power

Stardust: Power of Everythingness and the densest energy ever (He now has an infinite supply of these which gets doubled every single day)

Nihility: Power of Nothingness that literally allows his to Create and Erase etc ( He also has an infinite supply of these which also gets doubled every single day)

- Rimuru can create infinite "Clones", It's not really an actual clone since each of the "Clone" are the real Rimuru

- Rimuru can actually use [H.L.S.N] to duplicate his Abilities and skills and combine it 😂

- He can do anything and create any skills and abilities he wants as long as he has enough power and knowledge to do so, This is child's play for Rimuru who literally has Omniscience and has Beyond Infinite Power via [M.B.R], [V.G.A], [W.K.S], [P.M.S], [H.L.S.N], His clones that are inside an infinite time and space

- Manipulate Causality, Probability, Concept, Time-Space, Life and Death and many more

In short, The Patrons negs The Black Bulls

oh yah ur right, Asta is untouchable cuz he's gonna get erased into nothingness before they can touch him

Forgot to mention the Fact that their "Soul" aren't even soul as in literal Soul, It's literally lumps of Information 😂, The same goes for their Magic

As Far as I know no one in the BC verse is capable of interfering let alone Destroying or Erasing Information 😂

And someone like Diablo and the other Primordials can Literally regenerate even if their Information are completely erased, that's High-Godly regen right there

Oh btw All Spiritual lifeforms like the Demons and True Dragons are Conceptual entities, yet they can still regenerate and come back even if they are erased

Any one in the BC verse ain't gonna do shit to the Patrons

Diablo alone is literally a God-stomp

Also Rimuru can literally just let Diablo borrow [Leviathan] (This skill can literally degrade anyone's power and abilities even if they are on a higher level than the user 😂) to degrade all the fodder Black Bull's power and abilities to make it an indescribable massacre 😂
 
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#37
Heavy mismatch. The Slime verse is a few leagues above the BC verse. So Patrons low diff.
The Patrons are waaay above anyone in the BC verse, The Patrons massacres the fodders negative diff

Diablo and the others doesn't even need to spam Anti-Magic Barries and Barriers that uses dimensional gaps against them


I already saw several threads about Rimuru or his subordinates vs Black Clover characters

I always see people who acts as if they are experts on both yet they literally Ignore the Hax that Tensura characters posseses

Again their "soul" ain't even soul, it's literally lump of information

what's more is that Rimuru already became a True Dragon in the LN, The Power Gap between True Demon Lord Rimuru and "Viscous Dragonoid Demon God" Rimuru is Immeasurable and if some of u didn't know, All of those that are connected to Rimuru gets stronger everytime Rimuru get stronger. Rimuru's power doubles everyday single day

The Patrons negs the BC verse negative diff, there's no fight, just plain massacre
Heavy mismatch. The Slime verse is a few leagues above the BC verse. So Patrons low diff.

The Patrons let alone the Slime verse is waaaay above the BC verse

The Patrons negs BC verse negative diff

Heck Diablo's skill alone literally traps you in an illusion World that prevents you from moving while also nullifying all the magics of the Target, He can even just straight up exchange reality and illusion

Oh btw while ur inside the skill, Diablo governs over life and death
 
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#38
The Patrons are waaay above anyone in the BC verse, The Patrons massacres the fodders negative diff

Diablo and the others doesn't even need to spam Anti-Magic Barries and Barriers that uses dimensional gaps against them


I already saw several threads about Rimuru or his subordinates vs Black Clover characters

I always see people who acts as if they are experts on both yet they literally Ignore the Hax that Tensura characters posseses

Again their "soul" ain't even soul, it's literally lump of information

what's more is that Rimuru already became a True Dragon in the LN, The Power Gap between True Demon Lord Rimuru and "Viscous Dragonoid Demon God" Rimuru Immeasurable and if some of u didn't know, All of those that are connected to Rimuru gets stronger everytime Rimuru get stronger. Rimuru's power doubles everyday single day

The Patrons negs the BC verse negative diff, there's unp fight, just plain



The Patrons let alone the Slime verse is waaaay above the BC verse

The Patrons negs BC verse negative diff

Heck Diablo's skill alone literally traps you in an illusion World that prevents you from moving while also nullifying all the magics of the Target, He can even exchange reality and illusion with the same skill

Oh btw while ur inside the skill, Diablo governs over life and death
Yeah. Benimaru and Shion alone could destroy the Black Bulls. They're way too strong.
 
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